Talk:Zenith

Per swing
When i was editing this mentioning 3 swords per swing, it seems to be based on speed accessories. While testing, it seems weapon modifier doesn't impact this, but some accessories did. Actual tests and results are as follows: I used solar flare leggings, celestial shell (at night) and mechanical glove, and Legendary and sluggish zenith in Journey mode. 2 swords appear when using all those items. Remove any one of the equipment items, and 3 swords are thrown. The modifier on the weapon had no effect on the number of swords. when testing with unmodified zenith and no accessories or armor equipped, still produced 3 swords. It seems weapon speed modifiers impact use time and throwing rate, but accessories only can impact use time. The weapon constantly throws swords for the duration of its attack, only throwing the non-homing zenith sword at the start of a new attack. --49.195.100.48 10:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I can confirm this is true. A melee speed over +36 % results in two swords released only, however my testing shows that number of hits per second does not change. I've reported this bug. - Rainbowhawk555 (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposal
The Notes section should also consider the possibility of none of the Enchanted Sword Shrines in a world being real. 151.225.52.44 15:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The Enchanted sword can be obtained from the golden crate and titanium crate. I've added a note to the enchanted sword page - Rainbowhawk555 (talk) 04:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The Notes section should probably mention that on Journey mode it can be more fiddly due to the fact that characters start with iron gear. If the world spawns with tin, obtaining copper, while possible, can take some time - 124.45.76.97 04:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

The projectile melee weapons page should probably mention all the different sword projectiles it fires and not just the Zenith sword

Enchanted Sword Link
The link of the Enchanted Sword in the recipe currently goes to the disambiguation page Enchanted Sword, when it should link to the item page Enchanted Sword (item). This issue seems to reside deep somewhere in Template:Recipes, and I have no idea how to approach this. Zakru (talk) 11:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC).

I have rectified this issue - Rainbowhawk555 (talk) 00:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

This issue has arisen again. - KingAzur (talk) 12:30, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Notes on Zenith
24.217.132.248 05:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) It does not seem to have a range limit. My resolution is 1920x1080 and it can still reach enemies - even ones horizontally offscreen at maximum zoomout.
 * 2) The swords released still follow your cursor even after you release the button assigned to using it before they return to being sheathed.
 * 3) The swords other than Zenith will home onto enemies close to the cursors location, approximately in a sphere with a radius of 23 blocks.

How am I supposed to fix the infobox?
Someone made it a food and a kite, in addition to a weapon, when it’s clearly not either. The problem is trying to dig into the info box. How am I supposed to edit the box itself? Devintrainer (talk) 17:38, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Cave Story/Copper Sword
I was playing a side scrolling game, two years or so back where you started with terrible weapon. But if you held onto it, eventually you could upgrade it into being one of, if not the best in the game.. like the Polar Star in Cave Story

Anyone have any other examples?

Sebine (talk) 15:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Article cleanup
This article has amassed a good deal of mostly-useless factoids and unsourced claims in the Notes and Trivia sections. Considering this is probably one of our most-visited pages, would it be advisable to take a red pen and trim down these sections to the factual and essentials? Breathlessblizzard (talk) 11:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I would be willing to assist with this. I could copy it into the wiki sandbox and try to clean up the page, as it's protected against anonymous users (for good reason). --172.58.158.153 11:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I am already working on this page due to discussions in the Discord, your help is appreciated but it would probably be prudent to check back in 20min or so because I have cut a lot. Breathlessblizzard (talk) 12:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Extra Swords
Both the Star Wrath and the Arkhalis can appear during the animation, albeit significantly more rarely than others. --172.58.155.197 16:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The Terragrim might be there, but it's hard to tell which one. --172.58.155.197 16:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Correction: the Starfury can appear despite not being used to craft it. Also, somebody changed the page to say that you should aim past the enemy to get maximum DPS, but if you aim past the enemy you might not even hit it once. This info should be changed and the extra swords should be mentioned in the Trivia section. --172.58.155.197 16:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The Starfury is used to craft it, but the Terragrim definitely appears in the animation. --172.58.155.245 21:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Can somebody please add this? People keep adding/removing that the Arkhalis appears (it doesn't, as far as i know) but the Terragrim definitely does appear in the animation. --172.58.4.114 15:01, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Zenith Damage
Zenith does not do 190 damage. It does 204. I don't know how to change item infoboxes so if someone else could, that would be nice. MattTheBanana 01:43, 27 May 2020‎ (UTC)

Are you using any equipment that could affect the damage output? Have you taken into account the +/-15% damage randomiser? Why have you not signed your talk page entry? <- irrelevant, I signed it 151.225.52.44 14:17, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

It definitely does 190, just checked -- Breathlessblizzard (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Attack Range Screen Resolution
Under the notes section, it mentions the ability to increase the effective range of Zenith by using a high resolution or even multiple monitors to increase the game window size. The behavior is more complex than that. At resolutions up to 1920x1080 in a 16:9 aspect ratio, you do indeed have a larger view of the world as you approach this limit. At resolutions beyond this, Terraria will maintain a fixed view on 16:9 resolutions, instead just making the image larger instead of giving you more view. For wider aspect ratios, Terraria will sacrifice vertical view to maintain the horizontal width. Examples below.

https://i.imgur.com/RQxfcKS.png 1920x1080

https://i.imgur.com/vp1ih5K.png 1920x1418

https://i.imgur.com/kjupJli.png 3440x1440

Note how the taller aspect ratio sacrifices width despite it being larger than 1920x1080, and the 3440x1440 loses vertical view and maintains the same width.

Condensed Crafting Tree Image
May I recommend adding this image to the page, as an image alternative to the expanded crafting tree currently there? Created by /u/OfficialHields on Reddit, who's given their permission for the image to be added. Beelordzae (talk) 12:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Zenith Max DPS
With testing I've found that under normal circumstances it is possible to get 25k-30k single target DPS and with min/max it can reach from 50k to 70k DPS. I will update the wiki page with this info. For min/max damage I used the following set up on master difficulty at night time during the rain. One accessory rolled as Lucky, the rest rolled as Menacing.

Armor: solar flare helmet, solar flare breast plate, shinobi infiltrators pants.

Accessories: Putrid scent, Avenger emblem, Destroyer emblem, Fire gauntlet, Mechanical Glove, Warrior emblem, Celestial Shell.

Mount: Shrimpy Truffle.

Buffs: Rage Potion, Wrath Potion, Sharpening stand, Exquisitely Stuffed, Feral Bite, 45% Nebula Damage Booster

images of DPS:

28k: https://i.imgur.com/LViMaYQ.png

70k: see wiki page for image

Edited 21:55 7/5/2020

TheLaughingSoul (talk) 15:44, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Gif
The GIF animation was changed last night and is no longer properly animated due to the file that's used. I much prefered the previous one, but dare not make any changes. -- 37.123.170.44 14:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Seems like it's fixed now, but I don't see why the gif had to be changed in the first place. Altair3578548 (talk) 03:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Blood Butcherer/Light's Bane Appearance
The trivia section states that these swords are not used to craft it, despite them being used in the Night's Edge, and by extension, the Terra Blade. Khirman1 (talk) 02:30, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

"Arguably" the strongest?
I've noticed the page calls this "arguably" the strongest weapon in the game. I'm curious as to what other weapons people think could beat out the Zenith, when Zenith can do 30,000 DPS without even trying. Knight9910 (talk) 00:07, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Attack range
The page mentions that the zenith can reach wherever the cursor can, but this just isn't true. It can go up to 70 blocks horizontally of the player, and 40 blocks vertically. This is slightly larger than the range of a standard 1080p screen, but it does come in to play at unusually high resolutions, or when you are at the edge of the map. example: https://imgur.com/0Zr0QPl notice how my cursor is in the top right of the screen, but the zenith can't reach it.

Wouldn't it be "Arabic word" and not "Arab word"
I would make the change myself, but I don't have an account.


 * Indeed; I've changed it. Thanks! --Rye Greenwood (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Attack Speed effects on DPS
Does high melee speed decrease the overall DPS due to less sword being thrown each swing?

BadPiggy1024 (talk) 04:18, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Worth it
Is it truly worth it to obtain Zenith rather than keeping the versatility of all the other swords? Especially with the amount of swords and work required to make it.


 * If you are aiming at higher DPS, then it's definitely worth the time and work, as few endgame weapon can beat its damage. It also has a better attack pattern than any of its ingredients. BadPiggy1024 (talk) 00:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * A FEW?!?!?!?! On the wiki it says It can reach 7000000!

Zenith survives lava
If you throw your Zenith into lava it does not disappear. But to be honest I don't know if any of the swords you need to craft the Zenith have this ability.
 * Any non-white (with a few exception) item survives the lava --Lightg4 (talk) 20:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

fyi the preview of the weapon being used on this page is messed up so pls fix it
please fix it?


 * What's wrong with it? It appears fine for me. --Eraloiz (talk) 05:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Possible Glitch
While I was using my Zenith, I found out that it still follows the cursor when you stop using it. Is this a glitch? 74.197.225.63 00:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The Zenith does not throw all of its swords at once; otherwise it would be just a bunch of swords in one. The game sends the new swords towards your mouse as it is told to, I wouldn't consider this a bug, but I doubt it is fully intentional, although they probably know about it. --AmsterWikis (talk) 01:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Ruthless could be as good or better than Legendary for DPS
Given that the Zenith doesn't benefit from melee speed and there's no real point to the size or knockback buffs, in some cases I imagine that it could be possible to do more damage with Ruthless than with Legendary. I ran the numbers trying to get the highest possible dps for each, and it seems like with every possible buff and close to 100% crit rate (I used 7 accessories which were mostly lucky, 98/97% crit chance respectively) you can do an average of 1138.5 damage with legendary and 1142.6 with Ruthless. So while they aren't that different I think Ruthless should at least be considered. 98.48.27.2 09:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Table Error
The table showing what swords are in the animation is wrong. I saw the Tizona in the animation. 74.197.225.63 18:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)