User talk:Dinoxel

Question
Hi Dinoxel, Thanks for helping me clean up some of my recent contributions and pointing me at some rules I'd missed! I've been noticing that a lot of content on the wiki seems to be automatically pulled from some data store or database. Does that data need to be manually updated, or does it come from data mining? I actually created an account to try to add the new Boomerang -> Enchanted Boomerang recipe to those pages when 1.4 launched, but looking on those pages, it's obvious that I would need to edit something else (and it's not clear that there will be any need to do so). Berggen (talk) 13:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Berggen, no problem. And yes, almost all of the information on the wiki is now automatically gathered from various databases (that you can found here), which include recipes and information in infoboxes. So no, you won't have to manually edit each recipe section that changed, however once the new source code of the 1.4 will be added to the wiki by admins, because due to their importance these pages are protected, we will have to manually edit the expected total number of rows on every page. The list can be found here: Category:Recipes table with unexcepted total number of rows.  Dinoxel  talk  13:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume that it will be helpful / not overstepping for me to help work through those pages, manually verifying the data on each one? Berggen (talk) 13:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Precisely. You'll just have to count how many recipes are now displayed and edit the expectedrows parameter to this number.  Dinoxel  talk  13:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal Reason?
Hello. I added the icons from Journey, Expert, and Master mode to their respective wiki pages, however you removed them. What was the reason for this? Thanks. Q.E.D. (talk) 05:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! I decided to moved them out to mode templates (and resize them), so they will be used all over the wiki in the top banners and soon on infoboxes. Also, the pictures can take a lot of place on Mobile devices and "break" the layout. -- Dinoxel  talk  05:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Music Tracks on biome, event and boss pages need separate sections
The music tracks on their biome and event pages are incorporated in the contents sections. I think it is best that we make a separate section on each of these pages, in addition to boss pages, similar to Minecraft Wiki. --Superwill771 (talk) 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, I think tracks could be written in the intro similar to how they are already on boss pages, however I don't think the Minecraft Wiki layout for sounds would suit well here. -- Dinoxel  talk  04:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * So we’ll just use the layout for the music page on them then. --Superwill771 (talk) 20:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that having the whole line from the Music page is necessary. Also, the columns Condition, Album, and Version seem useless. I edited the music section on Underground Corruption to show you a different layout -- Dinoxel  talk  17:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I just recently updated the layout for the Corruption. I will do the other pages. --Superwill771 (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I very much liked how compactly the music information could be integrated into the page via the "Contents" infocard. The only information that is relevant on the biome page is what track is playing or what tracks are playing there, and the previous format was well fit for that. Album, version, or even description of a track have nothing to do with the biome anymore at all – the Music page exists for a reason, it is the proper place for that information (also, yet another case of introducing duplicate data... having two places where the information is displayed will inevitably lead to discrepancy and inconsistency, with one of them being outright wrong in the worst case). Furthermore, it is unnecessary to make an entire section if its text is the same for every page, on top of being, again, completely irrelevant to the biome (neither the mechanic of Otherworld music nor the existence of Music Boxes has anything to do with the biome).
 * I am in favor of undoing these changes.
 * Side note: Please don't use boldface on the page title in the middle of the article. As stated in the style guide, only its first mention, in the intro, is to be bolded ("No other instance of the page title should be bold.").
 * --Rye Greenwood (talk) 01:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * You've made good points, and it's true that the old layout was doing the job just fine. -- Dinoxel  talk  13:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay but users could have used the music sliders in this section, like in Minecraft wiki. --Superwill771 (talk) 15:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I would say that the Terraria Wiki isn't the Minecraft Wiki and both wikis need a different kind of layout for a different kind of information. -- Dinoxel  talk  17:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Exactly. It is always possible to add more information and more functions, but more often than not, that does not result in an improved experience for the majority of readers. With the original format, everybody who reads about a biome has the option to give its music a quick listen by clicking the little speaker icon, but is otherwise not irritated or distracted from the main article, since the information integrates so seamlessly with the "Contents" infocard. Readers who are interested in learning more about the track, or want to listen to specific parts of it repeatedly are taken to the Music page by a single click. Now with the current format, everybody who reads about a biome is forced to scroll through a section that takes up a considerable amount of space (especially on smaller screens) and contains information that has not much to do with the page's topic, has hardly any bearing on gameplay, and is most likely not what the reader visited the page for.
 * I don't know how the Minecraft Wiki presents this kind of information and in what format or context, but I'm positive there are good reasons why the community there decided that their format is sensible for their use case.
 * If there are no further objections, I will go ahead and restore the original format.
 * --Rye Greenwood (talk) 02:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

I see you have already finished. Thank you to the both of you! --Rye Greenwood (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate Music Files
Will you please delete those duplicate files in the deletin candidates page (and the rest of candidates, for that matter)? --Superwill771 (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I will when I will be able to. I'm just a moderator at the moment. -- Dinoxel  talk  20:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Problem with Bestiary Template on spiders and Sand Poacher pages
Hey, I and Citalias2 tried to make the template show the entries on those pages, but nothing worked. --Superwill771 (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Eraloiz fixed the problem already. -- Dinoxel  talk  17:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Any real reason for that revert on Bacon?
I have no idea who the IPer was, but AFAICT their change was innocuous, and arguably better writing. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 02:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, I read the two propositions for a couple of seconds before reverting and it seems that "easier" sounded better to me even while translating it in French. -- Dinoxel  talk  02:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Personally, I try not to revert minor changes like that unless they actually introduce an error, or the change is clearly inferior. Letting minor changes stand allows for a slow evolution which IMHO is often good for a wiki. If it looks like a page has instead decayed, then I'll rewrite and deal with whole passages at once. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll think more about it, thanks for sharing your point of a view. Also, I've got to admit I rarely rewrite things on the English Wiki and I usually tend to not revert "grammar errors" unless I'm 100% sure it is one. -- Dinoxel  talk  23:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)