Talk:Bosses

Determining if an enemy is a Boss, mini-Boss, or just an enemy
It basically boils down to this:
 * Bosses = determined by game-code: "this.boss = true;" (except for Martian Saucer).
 * Mini-bosses = the other trophy-dropping characters.

If you'd like to read a debate on the issue (it's old, so don't leave comments there), look here and here. – Ferretwings (talk ) 20:59, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Unfair Regulations
This page has false information, there is no reason it for not to be edit-able.
 * This page is editable by registered users. It takes about ten seconds to put in a username and password, and any user that registers is automatically confirmed. This is not oppressively restrictive, just a minimal amount of protection to bottleneck access to one of the most vandalized pages on the wiki. If there is false information on this page, feel free to correct it- as a registered user this is well within your power. Gearzein (talk) 21:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Pix or it didn't happen?!
This page is central to the game basics, and its way too primitive.

One screenshot per boss couldn't hurt that much can it? We have text fields spanning full width and for no good reason. I don't have time to figure the format syntax, I can provide pix tough if you don't have the attention span to aquire/edit them...

King Slime?
shouldnt we add the kingslime? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.178.213.130 (talk • contribs)
 * The King Slime is a Mini Boss, not a boss. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Josiah2536 (talk • contribs)
 * Well... exactly why is the King Slime a "mini boss"? With 1.1 it can be summoned in the same manner as the full-fledged bosses. Also, as Ickepointed out (farther down the page), in the code it is marked as a boss. I can see no real difference - practical or otherwise. I think we should simply regard it as a boss. -- TechpriestMagos 01:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Boss -> Bosses?
Category page, and what new user would type "Boss" in the search? --Null Talk  23:19, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Wyvern as a Mini-boss
I honestly don't see the problem with keeping it, it has specific summoning conditions like the King Slime and it's not like it's an easy fight. Also, like other bosses, the Wyvern drops Souls, which are game centric at that point. I think it's importance warrants it's own mini-section. I mean, we could be out of our minds and call it a boss, but we aren't, isn't this a modest proposal of compromise? Chaosvii7 07:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Unlike King Slime there is no ingame message upon spawn and defeating, therefore game doesn't recognize it as Boss enemy. Why we should then? Because some players admit it like a boss-hard enemy? It's not. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.45.43.220 (talk • contribs)
 * Alright, now that's kind of rude to axe the Mini-Boss section when The Wyvern could fit in there all fine and dandy. And besides, mystery person, you seem to be the only person voicing distaste with this idea. Chaosvii7 02:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a mini-boss. The defining feature is the text announcement.  It's just the hardmode equivalent of a Bone Serpent.  I was more agreeable to the idea that it was a miniboss until I was running around in full Hallow.  On a side note, I personally disagree with the special category King Slime has.  *edit* Oh hey, that was removed, hadn't noticed that.  Good! --Theothersteve7 15:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The source code has a line "boss=true" for bosses and also for King Slime (no idea why it is demoted to mini-boss), but it doesn't have that line for the Wyvern, so it is no (mini-)boss. --Icke 16:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Summoning Hardmode Bosses in Pre-Hardmode World
Anyone tried it? Does it work? --Manxome 00:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is possible to summon and fight Hardmode bosses in a Pre-Hardmode world. Doing so nor defeating them will cause any change to the world, in fact I think even the Dryad may not arrive by doing so though I think I only experienced such due to lacking adequate housing; how nice nobody has to worry about that ! Hope this helps. --50.113.4.34 05:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * However, bosses such as Plantera,Golem,Ocram,Lunatic Cultist,Moon Lord, and some hardmode event bosses could not be fought pre-hardmode. 199.244.112.226 06:46, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

The New Boss
Is there any information about the boss summoned by snow globes yet? --Preceding unsigned comment added by Boilpoil (talk • contribs)


 * It's an event / invasion called the Frost Legion. Check there. -- TechpriestMagos 03:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Chances
Can anybody check the probability of the mechanical boss to spawn at dusk? 109.186.187.76 13:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC) All I know is that either it isn't a one in two chance every night, as the page says, or I'm ridiculously (un?)lucky. 74.96.95.213 21:20, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It is an one in ten chance per night. If it were one in two chance, then i dont think anyone would smash any altars before they kill all three mech bosses. 199.244.112.226 06:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Monster spawnrate while fighting boss?
Are monsters spawn rate reduced while fighting a boss? Some people said no monsters spawn while fighting a boss, while some people said they still see monsters around while fighting boss (most often thing i heard: wyvern while fighting mechanical boss)..

I personally never encounter any normal monster while fighting a boss (except if it spawned before i summoned the boss)

FunAlways (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

The bosses just run away when you die cant they just stay when you die please add that into the game Thx if you do 73.14.42.96 00:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)Svenlandicx

Something I noticed while browsing the Boss page is that the paragraph with information about this boss (Stardust and Vortex pillar) is swapped. The paragraph about the stardust pillar is listed under Vortex and reversed. I can't edit this by myself but maybe someone reading this can?

Dupli-glitch?
Even though it is intended that only one boss of a kind could be alive at the same time. However, I noticed that bosses that could natrually spawn and have a summoning item could have two alive--when a night where the boss will natrually spawn, use the summoning item. both bosses will spawn. also, queen bee could be spawned by breaking multiple larva, or by using a abeemination first and then breaking larva. 199.244.112.226 06:44, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Is Mothron a boss?
Okay, so we're going to have this discussion again I guess. We've had it before plenty of times- refer to this case in particular for the most recent decision that comes to mind, and remain civil in making your points.

I'm gonna lay out some general evidence for and against:
 * For:
 * Mothron is a large, powerful enemy with unique attack patterns and the ability to pass through blocks, generally regarded as boss-like behavior.
 * Killing Mothron grants more progress towards event completion than killing any other single Eclipse enemy.
 * Mothron has a few unique items that only it can drop.
 * Similar enemies can spawn during similar events and are included in this list.
 * Against:
 * Mothron has neither a trophy, mask, unique spawn message nor boss music, generally regarded as boss-like traits.
 * Other similar difficult enemies are omitted from this list for lacking several of the above properties, or having traits of regular enemies (normal spawning, dropping banners, etc).
 * Multiple Mothrons can spawn during a Solar Eclipse.
 * While the Goblin Invasion's entry on the 1.3.0.1 changelog refers to a "new mini boss enemy", the Solar Eclipse entry only a few lines down only refers to "several new enemies".

Everyone involved in this checks Recent Changes, so I know you can read this, but this discussion is open to other opinions as well. I'm leaving this page unlocked as a show of good faith, because no matter what state I protect it in, it'll seem like I'm taking a side. Do not take this opportunity to assert your point of view on the page itself. Gearzein (talk) 22:39, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe that Mothron in fact is a mini-boss, even though it doesn't drop a trophy. For example with the Celestial Pillars, do they drop trophies? They don't. Also, adding to the fact the the Pillars don't drop trophies, the Mothron even though doesn't show up on the minimap, it can certainly be considered as a boss, for it possesses the following qualities that some regular bosses have.

Yes, I know there is a lot of evidence contradicting this, but hey! It's just my opinion. LordofEditing (talk) 01:16, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Drops unique items
 * Mothron AI is very similar to Spazmatism second stage AI, with lunging attacks.
 * More health than any other enemy in the Solar Eclipse, which in turn, makes it harder to defeat.
 * More coins upon defeated.
 * Larger point buff toward the Solar Eclipse.


 * Hi, I started this whole discussion, so I want to make sure that At least my opinion gets stated.
 * If we see it from the EVENT ONLY perspective, the Mothron SHOULD be considered a Mini-Boss as it's the enemy with the largest HP and most unique Items of the event, but I do concede that from the perspective against all the other "mini-bosses", the Mothron fails in both "optional" requisites that we have driven to impose for them, as it's either that they drop a trophy OR appear on the Mini-Map.
 * That being said, it's up to us to add it or not to this page. I THINK that it should be added to give presence to the Solar Eclipse Event with this representative Enemy (as for now, there's no mention of the event whatsoever, even though it has a large chunk of hard enemies and also a big amount of items worth of being here, against for example the Frost Legion Invasion).
 * So, in any case, the arguments exposed before are valid, but the Mini-boss category it's very misused around the wiki, and we should make a general guideline for wether it's or it's not an enemy considered a Mini-Boss. Frenchiveruti (talk) 01:30, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A while back (over a year ago), there was a lengthly debate on what constitutes a mini-boss. Look here and here, only don't add to that discussion (give your thoughts here instead). In a nutshell: There are some who believe that the Goblin Summoner is a mini-boss, but it doesn't satisfy our current definition of what a mini-boss is. And you can't go by what was stated in release notes, because the Ice Golem was referred to as a mini-boss. We do need clear guidelines, which should perhaps be posted on the Boss page for all to see. I attempted to list the guidelines at the top of this discussion page, but obviously the definition I gave was incomplete. Do we need a third category of boss-like enemy? Super-enemy?  – Ferretwings  (talk ) 00:28, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, what about a divison by monster's HP. We could use a guideline that if a monster has a certain amount of HP it falls in a "big enemy" category, super-enemy is IMO a little too much haha, but "small, medium and big" enemy categories seem just fine, as I made on the Frost Moon and Pumpkin Moon events (although those are named "medium" enemies as they surpass the 1k of HP)-. Frenchiveruti (talk) 02:10, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's an idea. Super-enemy sounds a little too close to super-villain, lol! I'm not sure about "small, medium and big", as they usually describe size, so it may cause some confusion. Something to think about though.
 * Regarding the "boss" labeling, I think editors are trying to justify adding Mothron (and Goblin Summoner) as event bosses. If we decide that every event has an event boss, I suppose we could call Mothron, Goblin Summoner, Ice Golem, and Clown "event quasi-bosses". I'm just not sure an enemy is an event boss simply because it has the highest HP in the event. Does every event need a boss? Maybe not. Maybe "no trophy, no boss=true, no mini-map display, no boss music, no spawn message" means not-a-boss.
 * As for boss behavior:
 * Not all bosses move through blocks, and some enemies can move through blocks who are not bosses
 * An Eclipse lasts from sunrise to sunset, does killing Mothron cause time to move more quickly?
 * Mothron isn't the only enemy with a unique drop. Only Nailhead drops the Nail Gun
 * The Pillars don't drop trophies (but defeating them is required to progress through the event)
 * Multiple Flying Dutchmen can spawn during a single Pirate Invasion (I can think of no other mini-bosses that do this)
 * In the release notes, Mothron was never referred to as a boss (as opposed to the Ice Golem, who was referred to as a min-boss)
 * – Ferretwings (talk ) 03:26, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

What debuffs are bosses immune to?
I think it would be very helpful to everyone to make a list of which debuffs a certain boss is immune to or vulnerable to, depending on which list is smaller, and then put this list on that boss's page, AND that boss's strategy guide. I'm making this suggestion because I want to know what a boss is and isn't immune to, instead of going on the debuff page of every debuff I use and finding out which pages that boss is in a list on. TheHiddenNinja (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Great idea :) I've begun working on a dpl that will extract the info from the debuff pages. – Ferretwings (talk ) 03:16, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool, that's a great idea, It'll be useful. Frenchiveruti (talk) 19:40, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Messed up, possible ID error
This page should be fixed, idk how with images and whatnot, but the first three bosses are okay but for example the WoF is showing as an Abeemination. It could be a bug on my side though Anonymous132547698 (talk) 19:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Try a hard refresh by pressing Ctrl-F5 – Ferretwings  (talk ) 20:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Non-standard Boss Pages
I was wondering why certain Boss Pages list the Boss differently. Some have the Boss' parts in a separate section, while others do not. What should be standard? I can fix it, but would like input on what would be best. Shadowjared24 (talk) 15:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Most pages seem to follow the standard where:
 * Boss with parts combined (forms/stages if applicable) on top right
 * Individual Boss parts in separate section
 * …at least, that's my perception of it. 4e696e6a6f795844 (talk) 18:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding and looking into it. I should have been more specific. My bad, oops. Anyways, I know that some of them are just fine, but I am referring to how Skeletron shows the head and hand in the top right, but Skeletron Prime shows just the head in the top right and the arms in a separate section. I know the Hand is only one part, but the Flying Dutchman only shows one part under the "Parts" Section. Also, Golem does not have its Second Stage in a separate NPC Infobox. I am also wondering if the Moon Lord should be separated by the stages as well. Turkor the Ungrateful also has its parts and the entirety in the top right corner instead of having its parts in a separate section. Shadowjared24 (talk) 20:28, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

1.4 bosses
We need to add the new bosses to this page Ttvobamaislife (talk) 00:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Bosses and the bestiary
So we all know about the bestiary yes? Well something is strange about it. The common thing of the boss section in the bestiary is that they all have health bars. But if martian saucer (an event boss and not true boss) is in the boss filter, why aren’t the others? Like everyone’s favourite spooky tree, or christmas tree, or betsy, ogre, pumpking, dark mage, santank, ice queen, and flying dutchman not considered “ Jimmytheman19475 (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)boss”

A certain Mini-Boss
There seems to be a lack of Dreadnautilus in this list.


 * Dreadnautilus is considered just an enemy, since it doesn't drop a trophy. This is mentioned at the bottom of the Notes section. --Eraloiz (talk) 14:05, 3 July 2021 (UTC)