User talk:Mathmagician

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There's a lot to do around here, so we hope you'll stay with us and make many more contributions. And again, welcome to Terraria Wiki. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Gracey91 (Talk) 02:44, 12 December 2011

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Well hey there you as well as Gracey seem to be reputable, so I have a question. I'm trying to redirect the page Weapon Variants to Reforging. But I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly, so I will post my edit and if it doesn't work you, or someone else can revert it back and fix it. This is my first attempt at redirecting, so I'm sorry if I screw up. Fawie42 22:22, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

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Yeah, i'm sorry for that :P In fact i wrote it at last, but when i searcehd up the word "Presents" it didnt show up! So i was begining making this page, and suddenly, wild page appears. Thanks again, my mistake Vladragon 21:31, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello Mathmagician, I just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all the great work you have been doing on the wiki. You have been a great help with the 1.1 and 1.1.1 info. Thanks Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 03:55, December 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem, just trying to be helpful. Mathmagician 04:23, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wall of Flesh blog
Awesome blog, great guideline! I love it, keep up the great work!

Thanks
I just wanted to thank you for you help with the housing thing, but I managed to fix it shortly after I commented, and I was wondering: If I needed any help with Wiki in general, could you help? Thanks in advance ^^ KaeKai 20:28, December 22, 2011 (UTC)KaeKai


 * I'm glad you got it sorted out =). If you need help with Wikis, I'll be glad to help if I can. I don't know everything, though, just a few things. Mathmagician 20:43, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Note
Thanks for the note, I fixed itto where it can be put as a page on the Wiki, but if an admin still has a problem, Ill move it. And Ill take a look at your Goldfish note. I do prefer the timers instead of pressure plates though, Infact, the page you saw wasnt even completed, my internet was screwing up so i had to publish every couple of minutes, KaeKai 22:32, December 22, 2011 (UTC)KaeKai

From which anime is your avatar? Airbornefilip

Page Moves
Hello Mathmagician only admins have to power to merge pages together since it requires they be deleted. Additionally you are correct that they must be merged together under the wikia TOU. Just let me know what you want to call it and i'll move them all to that page. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:03, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey I'm more than happy to move the pages but i think the name "Diurnal cycle" is something no one will ever search for, and since the other pages wont appear in the search bar like "day" and "night" once they become redirects i think something a lot more basic is in order. I personally think "Time" works the best? Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:33, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, all done. The histories merge by date so if you wanted to use one of those pages as a starting point you will need to find it in the history and revert to that version. If you need anything else let me know. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:52, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Chat
Hey dude, good to see you're editing in a responsible manner! You know, you're welcome to come onto chat and hang with everyone else one, if you so wish. Nobody's going to bite ^_^ 05:47, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Hey I seen you have been adding some new categories which is fine. One thing you need to remember is to create a content page for the category otherwise its just all alone. I know it can be easy to forget to add the content pages especially when your doing other things too. So i thought this may help you a bit, it makes all categories without content pages appear red to you. So you add this To this page.

That page is on the Community Central wiki, its considered the wikia hub. So by adding that script above to the wiki will mean you will see it on all wikis you use. Last off, over my time here i have found many handy scripts like that one which are kept here and here, feel free to try them out if you want. All you have to do is change my name in the url to yours then copy paste them across to your pages. If that doesn't make sense let me know i will try to clear it up a bit. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 11:08, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks for the notice. I copy/pasted couple of your scripts over to my global.css and my global.js. I then hard-refreshed my browser (I use Chrome) to try and see the changes, but I don't see anything different anywhere on the wiki. No red categories, no IP addresses. Did I do something wrong? Or are they actually working and I just don't know how to tell? Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 11:48, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit: I think I got it working now. I see red categories at least! Thanks, I'll try to remember to put content on the category pages. Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 12:10, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad you got it working. With the css and js its cached so it doesn't always update correctly even with a hard-refresh. If it doesn't work for me i always purge the page, what it does is "break" the cache and forces it to fully reload. To purge the page you add "?action=purge" to the end of the url then hit enter.

I seen in your css you put a question mark about the color code. With the css/js files, they are personal and only affect you. So no-one else will see the hilite on your name. The reason you can see mine and others is, i add it to the sites css/js files. If you have any questions about css/js or how the scripts should work, let me know. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 13:43, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Category Pages
(Sorry in advance for the long post). After thinking about your point about creating content pages for categories, I realized that there are a lot of different scenarios that exist on the wiki:

A: Category page has basic description of category. Page (not a category, but an actual page) with the same name covers the topic in detail and is labeled with that category. Current Example: Category:Explosives and Explosives

B: Category page has basic description of category. Page with the same name covers the topic in detail but is not labeled with that category. Current Example: Category:Ores and Ores

C: Category page has basic description of category. Page with the same name redirects to another content page that covers the topic in detail. Example: Category:Flat Surface Item and Flat Surface Item

D: Category page has basic description of category. Page with the same name does not exist (but searching for that name will still take you to the category page). Current Example: Category:Hardmode Items and Hardmode Items

E: Category page exists, may have a ton of info or just a basic description. Page with the same name redirects to a questionable location. Current Example: Category:Seeds and Seeds (In this case, Seed is an item on the category page (why? it can't be planted), but the Seed page doesn't even have the Seeds category. And, in my opinion, someone searching for "Seeds" might want the information currently on the Seeds category page, or they may want the Seed item. Perhaps a disambiguation would be useful here?)

F: Category exists but the category page itself is blank (but searching for that name will still take you to the category page). Current Example: Category:Adamantite

Which scenario should I strive for when creating categories? It seems to me like A is the best. B and F are easy fixes (I think F is what you were talking about in your earlier post). E can be fixed, but it makes me question the purpose of category pages. Why is there so much info on that category page? Would it be better to turn Seeds into a disambiguation page listing Seed and Category:Seeds, or would it be better to move most of the information on Category:Seeds (leaving behind a basic description of the category) to the Seeds page and make a note at the top saying "Not to be confused with Seed."

C and D are both borderline in my mind. The information is technically there... but people doing searches won't have the name pop up in the search bar when typing, so they might not be able to find it. On the other hand, if the category itself is small/self-explanatory, then making a separate, actual page on the side seems kinda pointless to me because it would just be saying the same thing as the category page. Obviously we want people to find information they're looking for. And obviously we want to try to remove redundancy. But what about when these two goals clash? Which one is a higher priority? Thanks for clarifying, Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 21:13, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey just to be clear, the Seeds category shouldn't have that much content its way too much for a category page, and yes seeds should be a disambig. Also the page Ores should be in the Category:Ores its just a mistake its not already in there. What i aim for is to try to sum up the category on the category page, if there is a fair amount of info i would make a new page and add it to the category, i'd also link it at the top of the category. But if i can cover it on the category page another page is pointless like you said.


 * F was what i was talking about, you can find them but there not linked with another categories so the only way you would find it is searching the exact name or by clicking the category link.


 * E is something we want to avoid, category pages aren't meant to replace the pages in them.


 * In the end i would say removing redundancy is the most important. Only people who understand categories can really use them to get around, so i doubt it will really effect anyone. I hope i managed to sum that up, if i failed let me know. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:11, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Okay, thank you, that gives me some better guidelines to go by when it comes to editing and categories. On another note, I've been using templates on pages for a while now, but I've never actually created or edited one. I've read the Template:Documentation page and some other things, and I want to get some more practice with templates, but I don't want to cause any harm around the wiki. Could you maybe link me to a test template that I can play around with without doing any harm to any pages? Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 05:18, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have my own personal testing wiki here, your more than welcome to use it for any testing you would like to do. I'll make you an admin there so you can test whatever you want. With the template i suggest you start out with these 2 here and here. The first is the most basic of infobox's, which are the template we use to put all the items info in. As you progress, just compare the more advanced ones we have here and see what the differences are. The second is a heading template, we use that one on the front page. This page here may help too, just incase you don't know pretty much everything you can do on wikipedia we can do here. So wikipedia help pages can be quiet useful. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 05:38, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome, you're the best! Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 05:44, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

New Section
Thanks for all of the help you have given to this wiki, almost every page I go on, you have edited.Izuh 17:10, January 5, 2012 (UTC) Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 21:03, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I'm glad to know that my recent efforts are appreciated.

1) Sorry, new to the wiki. I'll add the section.

2) I honestly hadn't noticed those until you said something, and I don't know how they got there in the first place, but I've removed them. Dzylon 01:05, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Where can I find a list of all the categories?

Also,

Dzylon 00:40, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Rollback
Hey, due to your excellent edits we have decided (the admins) that it would be a good idea if we were to make you a member of rollback. Rollback is used to revert vandalism with 1 click. A bit more info can be hound here. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 10:46, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Indivisual projects
Forgot to summarize AND sign this one. Erf. Anyways:

I was talking to Dzylon, and looking at your indivisual projects page and I do understand you and him have it under controll, but I figured if you needed help, I could atleast do the Dungeon brick Wall pages for you, to speed the project up if nothing else.

KaeKai 01:02, January 11, 2012 (UTC)