User talk:Mathmagician

Welcome
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There's a lot to do around here, so we hope you'll stay with us and make many more contributions. And again, welcome to Terraria Wiki. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Gracey91 (Talk) 02:44, 12 December 2011

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Well hey there you as well as Gracey seem to be reputable, so I have a question. I'm trying to redirect the page Weapon Variants to Reforging. But I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly, so I will post my edit and if it doesn't work you, or someone else can revert it back and fix it. This is my first attempt at redirecting, so I'm sorry if I screw up. Fawie42 22:22, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

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Yeah, i'm sorry for that :P In fact i wrote it at last, but when i searcehd up the word "Presents" it didnt show up! So i was begining making this page, and suddenly, wild page appears. Thanks again, my mistake Vladragon 21:31, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello Mathmagician, I just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all the great work you have been doing on the wiki. You have been a great help with the 1.1 and 1.1.1 info. Thanks Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 03:55, December 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem, just trying to be helpful. Mathmagician 04:23, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wall of Flesh blog
Awesome blog, great guideline! I love it, keep up the great work!

Thanks
I just wanted to thank you for you help with the housing thing, but I managed to fix it shortly after I commented, and I was wondering: If I needed any help with Wiki in general, could you help? Thanks in advance ^^ KaeKai 20:28, December 22, 2011 (UTC)KaeKai


 * I'm glad you got it sorted out =). If you need help with Wikis, I'll be glad to help if I can. I don't know everything, though, just a few things. Mathmagician 20:43, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Note
Thanks for the note, I fixed itto where it can be put as a page on the Wiki, but if an admin still has a problem, Ill move it. And Ill take a look at your Goldfish note. I do prefer the timers instead of pressure plates though, Infact, the page you saw wasnt even completed, my internet was screwing up so i had to publish every couple of minutes, KaeKai 22:32, December 22, 2011 (UTC)KaeKai

From which anime is your avatar? Airbornefilip

Page Moves
Hello Mathmagician only admins have to power to merge pages together since it requires they be deleted. Additionally you are correct that they must be merged together under the wikia TOU. Just let me know what you want to call it and i'll move them all to that page. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:03, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey I'm more than happy to move the pages but i think the name "Diurnal cycle" is something no one will ever search for, and since the other pages wont appear in the search bar like "day" and "night" once they become redirects i think something a lot more basic is in order. I personally think "Time" works the best? Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:33, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, all done. The histories merge by date so if you wanted to use one of those pages as a starting point you will need to find it in the history and revert to that version. If you need anything else let me know. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:52, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Chat
Hey dude, good to see you're editing in a responsible manner! You know, you're welcome to come onto chat and hang with everyone else one, if you so wish. Nobody's going to bite ^_^ 05:47, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Hey I seen you have been adding some new categories which is fine. One thing you need to remember is to create a content page for the category otherwise its just all alone. I know it can be easy to forget to add the content pages especially when your doing other things too. So i thought this may help you a bit, it makes all categories without content pages appear red to you. So you add this To this page.

That page is on the Community Central wiki, its considered the wikia hub. So by adding that script above to the wiki will mean you will see it on all wikis you use. Last off, over my time here i have found many handy scripts like that one which are kept here and here, feel free to try them out if you want. All you have to do is change my name in the url to yours then copy paste them across to your pages. If that doesn't make sense let me know i will try to clear it up a bit. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 11:08, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks for the notice. I copy/pasted couple of your scripts over to my global.css and my global.js. I then hard-refreshed my browser (I use Chrome) to try and see the changes, but I don't see anything different anywhere on the wiki. No red categories, no IP addresses. Did I do something wrong? Or are they actually working and I just don't know how to tell? Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 11:48, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit: I think I got it working now. I see red categories at least! Thanks, I'll try to remember to put content on the category pages. Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 12:10, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad you got it working. With the css and js its cached so it doesn't always update correctly even with a hard-refresh. If it doesn't work for me i always purge the page, what it does is "break" the cache and forces it to fully reload. To purge the page you add "?action=purge" to the end of the url then hit enter.

I seen in your css you put a question mark about the color code. With the css/js files, they are personal and only affect you. So no-one else will see the hilite on your name. The reason you can see mine and others is, i add it to the sites css/js files. If you have any questions about css/js or how the scripts should work, let me know. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 13:43, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Category Pages
(Sorry in advance for the long post). After thinking about your point about creating content pages for categories, I realized that there are a lot of different scenarios that exist on the wiki:

A: Category page has basic description of category. Page (not a category, but an actual page) with the same name covers the topic in detail and is labeled with that category. Current Example: Category:Explosives and Explosives

B: Category page has basic description of category. Page with the same name covers the topic in detail but is not labeled with that category. Current Example: Category:Ores and Ores

C: Category page has basic description of category. Page with the same name redirects to another content page that covers the topic in detail. Example: Category:Flat Surface Item and Flat Surface Item

D: Category page has basic description of category. Page with the same name does not exist (but searching for that name will still take you to the category page). Current Example: Category:Hardmode Items and Hardmode Items

E: Category page exists, may have a ton of info or just a basic description. Page with the same name redirects to a questionable location. Current Example: Category:Seeds and Seeds (In this case, Seed is an item on the category page (why? it can't be planted), but the Seed page doesn't even have the Seeds category. And, in my opinion, someone searching for "Seeds" might want the information currently on the Seeds category page, or they may want the Seed item. Perhaps a disambiguation would be useful here?)

F: Category exists but the category page itself is blank (but searching for that name will still take you to the category page). Current Example: Category:Adamantite

Which scenario should I strive for when creating categories? It seems to me like A is the best. B and F are easy fixes (I think F is what you were talking about in your earlier post). E can be fixed, but it makes me question the purpose of category pages. Why is there so much info on that category page? Would it be better to turn Seeds into a disambiguation page listing Seed and Category:Seeds, or would it be better to move most of the information on Category:Seeds (leaving behind a basic description of the category) to the Seeds page and make a note at the top saying "Not to be confused with Seed."

C and D are both borderline in my mind. The information is technically there... but people doing searches won't have the name pop up in the search bar when typing, so they might not be able to find it. On the other hand, if the category itself is small/self-explanatory, then making a separate, actual page on the side seems kinda pointless to me because it would just be saying the same thing as the category page. Obviously we want people to find information they're looking for. And obviously we want to try to remove redundancy. But what about when these two goals clash? Which one is a higher priority? Thanks for clarifying, Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 21:13, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey just to be clear, the Seeds category shouldn't have that much content its way too much for a category page, and yes seeds should be a disambig. Also the page Ores should be in the Category:Ores its just a mistake its not already in there. What i aim for is to try to sum up the category on the category page, if there is a fair amount of info i would make a new page and add it to the category, i'd also link it at the top of the category. But if i can cover it on the category page another page is pointless like you said.


 * F was what i was talking about, you can find them but there not linked with another categories so the only way you would find it is searching the exact name or by clicking the category link.


 * E is something we want to avoid, category pages aren't meant to replace the pages in them.


 * In the end i would say removing redundancy is the most important. Only people who understand categories can really use them to get around, so i doubt it will really effect anyone. I hope i managed to sum that up, if i failed let me know. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:11, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Okay, thank you, that gives me some better guidelines to go by when it comes to editing and categories. On another note, I've been using templates on pages for a while now, but I've never actually created or edited one. I've read the Template:Documentation page and some other things, and I want to get some more practice with templates, but I don't want to cause any harm around the wiki. Could you maybe link me to a test template that I can play around with without doing any harm to any pages? Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 05:18, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have my own personal testing wiki here, your more than welcome to use it for any testing you would like to do. I'll make you an admin there so you can test whatever you want. With the template i suggest you start out with these 2 here and here. The first is the most basic of infobox's, which are the template we use to put all the items info in. As you progress, just compare the more advanced ones we have here and see what the differences are. The second is a heading template, we use that one on the front page. This page here may help too, just incase you don't know pretty much everything you can do on wikipedia we can do here. So wikipedia help pages can be quiet useful. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 05:38, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome, you're the best! Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 05:44, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

New Section
Thanks for all of the help you have given to this wiki, almost every page I go on, you have edited.Izuh 17:10, January 5, 2012 (UTC) Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 21:03, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I'm glad to know that my recent efforts are appreciated.

1) Sorry, new to the wiki. I'll add the section.

2) I honestly hadn't noticed those until you said something, and I don't know how they got there in the first place, but I've removed them. Dzylon 01:05, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Where can I find a list of all the categories?

Also,

Dzylon 00:40, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Rollback
Hey, due to your excellent edits we have decided (the admins) that it would be a good idea if we were to make you a member of rollback. Rollback is used to revert vandalism with 1 click. A bit more info can be hound here. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 10:46, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll try to use it when appropriate. On another note, I just noticed that on the wiki navigation bar, a couple links under Community -> Community Portal point to deleted/moved pages. If you could fix them to point to the right place again that would be great. Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 02:11, January 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, didn't even notice that. Funny thing is its been like that for months your just the first person to notice. Or at least the first to report it. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 05:22, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Indivisual projects
Forgot to summarize AND sign this one. Erf. Anyways:

I was talking to Dzylon, and looking at your indivisual projects page and I do understand you and him have it under controll, but I figured if you needed help, I could atleast do the Dungeon brick Wall pages for you, to speed the project up if nothing else.

KaeKai 01:02, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 02:33, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks for helping. By way, totally off topic but I was reading this old physicsforums thread the other day and since you said "erf" (which is awesome) I just had to mention it =)

Eh...
Im still trying to figure out how you reply like that. >o>;; So, excuse the second message. And I finished Pink as far as I can go other than creating a link tpo the brick itself. Ill do blue now, then green if I have enough time.

KaeKai 03:23, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Collapsible Tables
The time has come to push the button >>>

Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 02:01, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice, that's pretty awesome. So far as I can tell, there's just a few div tags. Is that it or was their some other css/js you had to add to the site too? I'm assuming it also works over on the For Testing wiki? I just have to go play around with this again when the project is over =)


 * I had to add the ShowHide/code.js and tweak it a bit, then add the custom classes which i adjusted too. The templates parameters are all set through css/js too. And yes it is fully set up on my testing wiki too. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 04:57, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

???
Mathmagician can you pleasee explain to me that when you buy terraria on steam will it give you the newest version or the oldest version so you have to update it and if I have to can you please tell me in detail on one of your blogs like hardmode farming and boss walkthroughs how you update it and please do it quickly because I like this game and please answer all of my questions you will see my post starting with your ID in all caps

Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 02:01, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Terraria auto-updates through Steam (for free), so if you buy the game on Steam you will get the newest patch.

Assorted
And that wall of text above this isnt mine. They forgot to sign. Kaekai.

Love all your walkthroughs and just joined I'm donoman because my last name id donovan so a little play on words.Donoman 02:56, January 13, 2012 (UTC)Donoman


 * Thanks! Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 08:37, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

hey the videos i put on should be 350px if you go any bigger the thumnails get squished for some people so all of them should be 350px if you see any that arent just switch them to 350 thxHeroGaming 08:13, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, will do. Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 08:37, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician, somebody vandilized the space gun page they wrote random letters everywhere and now it is ruined I was going to try to fix it but It seems like a lot of work.Donoman 15:01, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Fixed. Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 08:37, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Pardon me for my inexperience, I hadn't been able to find the page I was looking for until (unfortunately enough) immediately after I finished making the page. I will be moving my page to somewhere more fitting to be sure it doesn't get deleted, but I'd rather have liked to avoid this situation in the first place.

Cryshaal 06:27, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

very good walthroughs you have made.HeroGaming 07:55, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the complement. Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 08:37, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Congrats!
Congrats on getting the power to rollback! It was very much deserved!

Koggeh


 * I'd like to add my congrats to Koggeh's, welcome to the club Math! 19:16, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * ­*clears throat loudly*
 * Just kidding, congratulations! I noticed that some time ago, just never said anything.
 * Dzylon 03:12, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Nomination
hey my friend thanks for all your help on the wiki. if you would like to be an admin please let me know on my talk page. i only have a few things that i want to be done certain ways and if your ok with those then i would like to have you on the admin roster.

things that i think are very important for this wiki if you can deal with how i run a wiki and my horrible grammar/spelling then i would love to have you on the wiki as an admin. (text isnt my thing. I'm more of a visual person.) HeroGaming 20:26, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * i built this wiki with video so it should remain video focused.
 * admins must really enjoy the game
 * the front page is something i am very careful about so i dont like any real editing on it without first talking it over.
 * i am very good at marketing because its what i have done for income for several years so i know how colors and articles shoul look and what brings traffic and what causes people to leave so on the marketing aspect i am not very good at taking input because i know what i am talking about so i tend to butt heads.
 * admins have to be active to remain admins its not a forever thing.
 * i dont ever intend to promote another bcrat unless i decide to leave the wiki so yu ould have to be ok with knowing that i want the wiki to always have a final word if something cant be decided.


 * Hey, thanks for the recognition, Hero. I'll put my RE on your talk page. Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 23:18, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Nomination RE
are you my twin brother?

diamond in starcraft 2 i stopped playing just before they came out with masters. just not enough time.

anime? yup my favorite is death note followed by code geass.

about 2000 hours in terraria with mods and texture packs. (the wiki is going to be indorsing a mod very soon we have 6 programmers and 3 pixel artist working on it right now. its going to be a content update. not really a mod but they way it will run is like a mod.)

your walls of text are refreshing.

i dont run this wiki like other wikis. there are no votes. ive been on alot of wikis where they put things to votes and nothing ever gets done. to be honest i am also thinking of promoting the pathogen aswell. i just happened to read a few of your guides and thought you were the right person for the job atm. im pretty sure he will be promoted soon. but i just wanted 1 atm and your guides were on my mind. very hi quality edits. its the opposite of the spectrum for me. i am visual so the wiki needs other good admins who are good with text or this peice of junk im typing right now is how the wiki would look. im just a long term thinker i focus on big picture and grammar and spelling to me are short term. so thats how i am.

also this mod content pack wont be some crap mod that will break the game and make it unfun. its being balance tested and i think you would be a good tester so if your feeling up to it then id like your to give it a shot.HeroGaming 01:13, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

also youve been promoted.HeroGaming 01:13, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks for the promotion. I'll continue to help out around here mostly like I have been, and in the new role. On the other topics yeah I love SC2 alot but I only made it to platinum in the ladder (solo) and then I kinda got frustrated and switched to custom maps. I play a ton of Desert Strike and Squadron TD. I hail from the Warcraft 3 era where I played a ton of customs there too.


 * Also thanks for the invite to play the new mod. Actually I was a video game tester recently, testing cloud and the new dashboard for xbox360 xD. So yeah testing is kinda fun in my opinion. However, I think I'm gonna have to decline because I'm just so busy with school, tutoring, other games I'm playing in addition to Terraria (currently on Assassin's Creed: Revelations, moving on to Skyward Sword, Skyrim next, and got more lined up after that!), anime I'm watching, and helping out on the wiki that I just don't think I can squeeze in the time to play more at the moment =(

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 07:37, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * As for anime hey that's cool it's a great hobby for me. I love action stuff like Code Geass and Fairy Tail primarily, but I also like ecchi/romance/comedies a lot too. So yeah I guess you might be my twin after all hahaha. By the way, if you saw the message I left on your talk page on the other wiki, I'm sorry if it was offending or anything. I'm actually a really nice guy (and I know you are too), so I look forward to talking with you more. For today, I think I've typed so much my fingers are about to fall off!

Chat Question
My stupitity might be overwhelming but I haven't figured out how to use chat yet it just comes with a blank page and when I type a letter in and press enter it dissapears?Donoman 04:57, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician ( Σ talk ♥ blog ∞ contributions ) 05:02, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, to be honest I pretty much never use the chat here and I don't know that much about it. However, I believe that The Pathogen is a chat moderator and I think he might be able to help you. I'm sorry, I just don't really know much about it currently.

not mad at all
im not i understood your intentions in what you were saying was to help not hurt.

also i just finished watching season 2 of sekirei and man i loved that anime must be my favorite haha.HeroGaming 11:35, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

also i have a paid subscription to funimation.com beacuse i like my anime so much i want to pay for high quality i cant stand watching stuff that is bootleged. i really like hd. its kinda snobish of me but once i watch d anime i couldnt go back.HeroGaming 11:38, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Page protection
Hey the protection you added here isn't needed, the wikia.js/css are both protected from others editing them. Only you and other admins can edit your pages. Additionally sub-page protection isn't generally needed, i haven't seen any sub-page vandalism since I've been here. The vandals are just too stupid to find them i guess. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 15:43, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks, sorry I didn't stop to consider the fact that it was in my namespace meant that it was pretty much already protected. I was just trying to think safely by making sure that important code doesn't get changed. I understand that protection is something to be used sparingly so I'll try to keep this in mind.


 * By the way, I think you already know this based on my personality but I just wanted to add that even though I'm an admin now, I still look to you for guidance on all kinds of issues, especially related to policy. You've been here longer than me and you know things I don't, so I will always still defer to you on issues that I'm uncertain about, or that you're 100% certain about. Thanks for all your help recently too, I enjoy talking with you. Take care, Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 18:15, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * P.S. I'm having an issue with turning A Wikia Contributor into the IP address (copy/pasted it onto my community central global.js). In the "Recent Wiki Activity window on the right side of the screen it works just fine. Works just fine in the comments. On the Special:WikiActivity page itself though (which I like to use a lot), if I hard refresh the page I see IP addresses for a second... and then it changes back to A Wikia Contributor. I'm thinking there's some js here on this wiki that's overriding my personal js on the community central? (I also tried moving the code here and here and that didn't work for me. Also, I don't have this issue on the For Testing Wiki--IP Addresses show up there for me without any problems)


 * Edit: Pathogen discovered that it has to do with auto-refresh. As long as I uncheck auto-refresh, I can see the IP addresses. Problem resolved, unless you have anything to add Gracey.


 * Hey thats fine, I'm just trying to teach you want i can. Thats great you still want my input, I'll be happy to help how ever i can. With the js/css you put in your personal files gets loaded last so the site wont over rule it. Path is right, thats the only way it works, you also wont get ips on comments if you go to the second page of said comments. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 05:09, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Congrats!
Congrats on getting admin! It was deserved many times over!

Koggeh

thank you for welcoing me MATTFORTE22 23:16, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Complete Profile Revamp
Hey there, just saying that I love the new look of your profile! I might take a few hints from it myself, then revamp my own, haha. But yeah, loving the setup and design, keep at it. :D 05:22, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It was fun to make, though time consuming. I'm mostly happy with the result. Getting the table exactly the way I wanted it took the longest actually. Tables are tough imo. Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 05:30, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

hi

Questions about editing
What is element which stands usually on right side of most pages, the one where is written how to craft it, where to craft, rarity, tooltips and stuff like that? And if it is a table, what are dimensions of it? I would like to help but don't want to screw sth.

Airbornefilip 21:20, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * What you're referring to is the "infobox." Infoboxes are used on a ton of pages and so they're implemented using "templates," which reduces the amount of code and helps with organization. You can read more about templates on wikipedia. Templates on wikis are stored in the Template namespace. For example, the template used on item pages can be found at Template:Infobox-Items.


 * The way it works is that the Infobox-Items template has all the table code, formatting, and stuff that makes it look pretty. Then, for example, this code is placed on say the the Mythril Sword page:

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 21:36, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Values are passed as parameters to the template, and the template does the rest of the work for you. The template code is complex so you shouldn't really mess with it, because a mistake in the template code will cause formatting issues on hundreds of pages that use that template. However, anyone can fill out infoboxes using code like I pasted above. That code is for editing in "Source" mode by the way. If you instead use "Visual" mode when editing, things are simplified by being able to right-click on templates and interact with them visually. Let me know if that answers your question or not.


 * Thanks a lot, that was what I wanted to know.
 * Airbornefilip 00:46, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reasonably Persistent Vandal
Hey there Math, first report I've got for you, heh. This guy keeps vandalising the monsters page, thanks. 22:57, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 22:58, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Saw that and your rollbacks. Issued a warning. If it continues let me know and I will block him.


 * Awesome, thanks. Will do ^^ 23:00, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 23:14, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since he continued blanking pages and whatnot, I've blocked him. Thanks for fixing his nonsense.

Server
Hmph... chat is refusing to work for me. 173.217.166.120 should work, on port 7774. Dzylon 00:03, January 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe not, danged router. I'll try to get this working. Dzylon 00:05, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 00:11, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Hey by the way I've been wanting to make a new char and start from scratch lately. Is your server noob friendly or? Sorry about inconvenience about not having hamachi. If you can tell me how to set it up (and if it doesn't require me to port forward) then I might do that sometime if I'm not lazy.

I'd love to help you set one up. I, along with many others, prefer to use Hamachi for three reasons. Ease of use, stability, and convenience. It is convenient because most everyone who has anything to do with a Terraria server will be using Hamachi. My server also runs TShock, so I have an advanced array of server commands (including disabling hardmode, as for the noob-friendly situation). I may actually make a blog post later on how to set up Hamachi.
 * 1) Download the program (unmanaged) here. It will guide you through program and account setup.
 * 2) Go to Network > Join an existing network.
 * 3) We'll be using my server as an example. The network ID would by Dzylon, and the password would be Terraria.
 * 4) After joining, my group will be added to your program in a collapsible format. In that group you will see several other users, myself included. Take the IP of the server's owner (displayed immediately to the right of the owner's name, before the backslash) and enter it into Terraria's multiplayer IP query.
 * 5) The port is, unless otherwise specified, almost definitely 7777. Enter that. It's worth noting that Hamachi must be open and active for you to join the network.


 * You can right click any group you have joined and press "Open chat window" to join that network's chat.

That's basically all you need to know. Setting up a server on Hamachi is a very different story, so let me know if you'd like to do so, or if you encounter any problems. Dzylon 06:02, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Bad housing
Hey Mathmagician,

i read that anyone was free to contact you with problems of housing so here i am.

my housing says it is suitable, but when i click for a NPC to live there the flag doesnt show up and they do nothing.

the housing was fine a while ago, nothing has changed they just decided to move out,

my only conclusion is that they are bored of their house :p

my house it built underground, i have cleared all blocks around it so there is no corruption/hallowed

i have indicated with a picture which houses are with the issue. Thanks

RogueBeef :)RogueBeef 17:40, January 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, I looked at your house in high resolution. If your NPCs used to live a house just fine, and then suddenly they refuse to (and you didn't change the house at all), then there's only two possible explanations so far as I know. 1) Corruption has spread closer to your house. 2) A new patch came out, possibly changing the housing requirements.


 * Your rooms themselves look fine to me. I see no problems with any of the rooms. But you told me that you cleared all the Hallow/Corruption around your house, yet I see Pearlstone and hallowed grass on the picture! Here's what I have to say about that. 1) Please be aware that Hallow does not cause housing problems. 2) Corruption does cause housing problems, sometimes from a very long distance away from your house--like completely off the screen where you can't see it. Please read Home. I'm almost positive that there is corruption to the left of your house that you can't see. Also, do you have a corrupt farm to the right of your house, (possibly for growing Deathweed or Vile Mushrooms)? Because that's also a problem.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 20:49, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hope this helps. Like I said, I'm almost positive that the corruption is at fault here.


 * hey Mathmagician, i cleared some more corruption and sure enough it was the issue :)


 * Thanks for your help :)


 * 93.96.12.61 19:50, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism 23 January 2012
Hey Mathmagician, on the Breaker blade page in the notes section there is a link on grass blade, yeah when I went there it went to a fat lady search on google and i'm just reporting it, very digusting!Donoman 22:35, January 23, 2012 (UTC) Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 01:46, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the alert, it's been taken care of.

Opinion
Hey Math i was wondering if i could get your opinion. I have recently found the russian based [|terraria wiki] and i think we should partner with them. As we do get non-english speaking people quiet often and it would be good if they could understand what they are reading. What i want to do is just add a simple link to them in the navigation and get them do the same for us, as some of there users speak quiet good english. What do you think? There wiki looks pretty tidy too and one of the burecrats speaks pretty good english. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 12:50, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

RE
I think that's a good idea. We (both wikis) could probably both help each other out a little, and you're right that we get a lot of non-english people. It seems Terraria is starting to move in the multilingual direction anyways (patch 1.1.2, also Curse's translation projects), so I do like the idea a partnership very much. Very smart. (Random: google translate of their community message says bans will be given for math lol...)

Also, more vandalism/spam today than usual if you check our talk pages, my contribs, or the logs. I was not happy about this. Also 2 things (here comes wall of text...) 1) I'm done working on the editing policy, I don't know what to add to it unless you have specific instructions on what you want me to do. Let's try to get that implemented soon.

2) If you go to w:c:ru.terraria:Световой_диск and scroll down, see how they have crafting separate from the infobox? That's not unique to their wiki by the way. I very much want to bring this kind of layout to our wiki. (I've been thinking about this for a while, I didn't just come up with the idea upon seeing their wiki.)

Reasons

 * Organizationally, it makes sense to me to keep crafting separate from the other item details.
 * Some of our pages have massive infoboxes and/or item names word wrap because infoboxes aren't wide enough for them. Moving the crafting table into the article to the left (possibly under a Header 2) improves the formatting of these pages.
 * Some pages have tiny infoboxes and a massive article. No problem, can optionally float the crafting table to the right under the infobox to improve the floating stuff / article ratio (if that's important)
 * Can put a picture next to links in the crafting table, just like in table templates.
 * Can display item quantities better in the crafting table. Our current infoboxes do not handle cases like Holy Water very well at all, because there's no parameter for "amount produced" and even if there was that would make the infoboxes bigger.

Implementation

 * A template named CraftingTable (or some other name) should contain all the formatting information. Can pass it parameters for materials, quantities, crafting station, location to float the table, etc, etc. For items within this table, instead of code like Iron Ore, we would use code like.
 * A template named IconLink (or some other name) should take a parameter such as "Iron Ore", another optional size parameter, say 23, and possibly even an optional yes/no parameter about whether to display the icon in front of the link or not. The template would then spit out something like this: Terraria Iron Ore.png Ore In other words, as long as we have a uniform naming system for item icons, the template produces the icon for us. Also since it's a template, can easily turn off the icons until the items have been renamed according to this uniform naming system (or make it so that the icon only gets displayed if the associated image file exists).

Estimated Time
The hardest part of this would be making sure we have a uniform naming system for item icons like the ones used in table templates. Like I said we can easily turn off icons by adjusting IconLink template. Once the templates are made, converting item pages to use this new layout would go extremely fast. Like, assuming the templates are already done, I could easily convert 25+ item pages a day to the new layout and have this implemented across the wiki in 2 weeks tops by myself, faster with help. Oh yeah, and existing pages that haven't yet been converted wouldn't be harmed in any way. Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 01:46, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I love that idea as well. I have seen that layout implemented in the official wiki, and there are many claims of this wiki "cloning" their site as it is, despite the fact that the Wikia was here far before the official wiki even existed. I'm not trying to dissuade this project, as I very much prefer that layout, and I don't really care what the official wiki thinks of us. As is customary, I'd love to help with the project if it goes through.


 * Also, I left a reply on the topic of Hamachi above.


 * One more thing. If it's undesirable or considered rude in some way to jump in little chats like these with my own input, let me know now and I'll begin minding my own business.


 * Dzylon 02:22, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * The template they use is stolen from curse, and they legally aren't meant to use it. We would have to make one. I'm not so keen on additional templates on pages. I like the idea of making the infobox's collapsible instead. The icon names would also have to be adjusted since they aren't all named the same.


 * At Dzylon, what your doing is common on most wikis and i don't think there is anything wrong with it. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 06:06, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also regarding the vandalism, its pretty common. It spikes sometimes but in all honesty this is nothing compared to what its been like. Just try to ignore them, most give up once you block them. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 06:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Crafting
I'm not so keen on trying to do everything with one template when it can be done far better with 2. The current infoboxes do not handle crafting very well. And since crafting is one of, if not the most important pieces of information, it needs special attention. Our current layout of crafting in infoboxes deserves some kind of renovation. (Also with regards to Curse I am in no way supporting/promoting stealing their stuff. We should make our own templates.)

We do not have a "Quantity Crafted" parameter--that's a problem. "Crafted With" and "Crafting Station" appear in the left column and their fields appear in the right column. This is a formatting problem when item names are long (word wrap = ugly), when we want icons, or when when the list of items is long. Any attempt at improving the crafting layout inside the infobox will either require making the infoboxes wider or longer, both are out of the question because 1) Hero's videos will get squished or 2) longer infoboxes are a layout nightmare for us--we're not wikipedia. Therefore, we very, very much so need a new template for crafting.

Also, while the collapsible infoboxes are neat, I am concerned about why we would be wanting to collapse infoboxes or parts of infoboxes? All info in infoboxes is very basic stuff that everyone wants to know always. Hiding that information is counterproductive in my opinion. If you don't want to add in a bunch of new templates into pages to handle the icon/link thing, I'm willing to let that slide as a compromise. At the very least, I firmly believe that we need a new template for crafting. Please allow one additional, separate template for crafting per item page. Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 07:06, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * First off it seems you feel if dislike something, thats how it is. I'm not like that, i have had many people sway my opinion and I'm happy to work with you.


 * I believe i can change the current templates to highlight the crafting section as you would like without the need for an additional template, i think i can also keep them around the same size, maybe a tiny bit longer. I will work on that and show you what i come up with.


 * My reasons are. 1) I don't like the way the wiki is becoming more and more like the curse run wiki. We should be different and not just copy there ideas, even if we do take influence from what they have done i think it should still appear somewhat unique.


 * 2) I think adding another template below the existing infobox template will make some pages too long with mostly white space. I'm sure you will say we can add it to the left but then it wont work on some pages. I feel it should pretty much always be in the same place so users know where to look and pages to generally look the same.


 * I think we should both come up with full examples of what we want to do and we can present them to each other before we make a decision. Like who knows one of us might like the others idea more than our own. <span id="User:Gracey91" class="plainlinks">Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 09:01, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

A new section
The terraria helper2 05:54, January 24, 2012 (UTC)Thanks i was seeing it it was a troller and you were right with the damage:).

Connected with Russian wiki
Hey just letting you one of the Russian Wikia staff have added the link to the front page for the Russian wiki. Diff is here, i didn't realize it was so easy. <span id="User:Gracey91" class="plainlinks">Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 13:49, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

i am pokemon4life and like i said i got 3 other acounts and i made(helped) make pokemon and im only 28! and yes i have facebook.how come no one likes pokemon.guess im gonna quit my job 4 pokemon cuz of u! thanks a lot jerky jerk jerk!Kayla Kerr 04:18, January 28, 2012 (UTC)kayla kerr,terrariagirl8,pokemon4lifeKayla Kerr 04:18, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Gracey has been removed as an admin.

I want to clear some things up. Gracey quit the wiki because he didnt get one thing his way. i begged him to come back to the wiki and humbled myself greatly to help the wiki. It decided to through aside my pride and tell him all the things he was great at and not focus on any o the negatives just to try to make him happy. we had been private chating for some time. after much pleading he came back and told me in private "im going to do everything i can to destroy your wiki LOL" but then he started making normal edits. i thought he was joking until he started the vote on the videos. his real goal is to mess the wiki up because he is mad he wasnt the head admin and couldnt turn the wiki into a boring text based wiki. i have spoken to wiki staff and tae kim was tlaking about taking me on as a video intern for wiki because of how well the video was doing and how much it helped the wiki.

this issue has been handeled many times and gracey is no longer an admin because he only wants to cause trouble because he didnt get 1 thing he wanted.

i am going to pick up the slack in his absense.HeroGaming 17:09, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
When promoted to admin i asked if you were ok with how the videos were run you said yes. the issue is already closed. gracey is trying to make the wiki a difficult place by causeing a bunch of trouble for me because he is mad he didnt get his way about one thing. and yrimir is involved with the Russian wiki. he post there. this wiki is not a battle about youtubers. yrimir desnt do item tuts he rarely does them. this issue was closed months ago.

Id also like to ad he only brought this to a vote for personal resons and i am the wikis video admin issues about video should be brought to me prior to trying to make a vote with closed doors conversations. gracey has made me aware that you guys had talked about doing this off the wiki. if you wanted to help the wiki and talk about video i should have been the first person to come too about it. i was very clear in the message that i sent you before promoting you that i handle video. The reason why is low quality content being removed back and forth over and over. sre jessecox has a letsplay. that has no place on the wiki. this is an informative wiki. we arent going to put a video up of him a TB fight ing the eye of cuthulu with no talk about how to beat him just because the vids are funny. this issue has been closed and i dont like how gracey recommended to promote you when he said he was quiting just so he could come back and you two could plan things behind my back instead of coming to the wikiw video admin. you were a great help but i am removing you as an admin because yours and graceys behind door tacitcs are not welcome on the wiki. he quit and recommended you then came back only to have you as a side vote. i see now why he recommended you.and that is not something that i want on the wiki i have worked so hard to build. its not about edit could its about building traffic to the wiki. I am very saddend by all of this. i told him he was a friend so instead he enlist a group of people to try and get power on the wiki instead of just being happy to be part of something. i am very sad. its ok though. its ok thought the wiki will grow and we will find new admins who dont have selfish motives.--HeroGaming 17:36, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hero banned User:Gracey91 and you.
I created a call for help topic on the wikia support forums: Argument Thread
 * Note: My message above was edited by User:Port5. The original message I left is saved in the history, with oldid=227828. Since Port5 is an admin I don't feel comfortable reverting his edit. But I did remove my signature, since that message no longer belongs to me. (What he did is probably against the rules, but I find it reasonable. Shortening the title and the link is definitely good, and showing Hero in a slightly better light doesn't matter.) 3ICE 00:21, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I HOPE you get kicked from TERRARIA WIKI FOREVER DAMMITTerraria Hero 21:38, January 29, 2012 (UTC)Terraria Hero

I'm terribly sorry
I don't know what's going on or why it happened, but if you get this could you please email me at failstrom@yahoo.com? I see a petty power struggle that's going to be very detrimental for the wiki and may be able to help. 22:36, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

The Community has voted.
The Community has voted. This vote shows exactly what the community wants and it was placed on the front page for all to see, not hidden away for malicious purposes. The poll was taken down because the outcome was more than obvious in both polls by thousands of votes and we don't need this negative business on the front page forever.

New admins
I will be looking for a few new admins over the next week or so to help out on the wiki. This wiki isn't a one man job its a team, so I will be looking for a few good admins who are team oriented and their goals are to have fun helping on a wiki for a game they love.

Bright Future.
Our wiki has grown very large. I would like to think I have played a very big role in that by sending thousands of people here from youtube. I showed my stats and showed that the wiki was less than 10% of my traffic and that I help the wiki more than the wiki helps me. I helped push our wiki to the top spot on google by bringing in so many editors and I did it because I love the game and wanted to build a community. I will continue to promote this wiki in every video I produce related to Terraria tutorials either by giving a shout out to the wiki or by linking to it in the description of my videos. Thank you for your existing support and kind words. Again I will do my best to promote the kind hearted admins and direct as much traffic back to the wiki as possible.HeroGaming 02:59, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Forum Thread
Hi, just to make sure you see it... please can you join me on Forum:Wiki Mediation? Thanks -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog)  21:58, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Please respond on the thread specifically to those sections. thanks
I would like your feedback in the mediation thread. On the section about video. I don't think you understand video and how its role on the wiki has changed this wiki from underdog to Topdog. Please read that section and respond. also please respond why you didn't come to me about your issues.HeroGaming 03:23, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Your blog post is a repost of Something that is already public and should be removed as spam. Since I have my hands tied at the moment i haven't removed it. You copy pasted the exact same info from the mediation that is public into a blog to abuse the blogs feature. 1) you should stop talking badly about me when its lies. 2) you shoudl stop abusing wiki features to promote your own agenda of ruining the wiki on curse' behalf.

You should feel like a scumbag fyi. I mean you really wanna talk badly about me and then go and create multiple post just to front page your agenda? Some hypocrit you are.HeroGaming 23:14, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Your a hypocrite
Your blog post is a re post of Something that is already public and should be removed as spam. Since I have my hands tied at the moment i haven't removed it. You copy pasted the exact same info from the mediation that is public into a blog to abuse the blogs feature. 1) you should stop talking badly about me when its lies. 2) you should stop abusing wiki features to promote your own agenda of ruining the wiki on curse' behalf. You should feel like a scumbag fyi. I mean you really wanna talk badly about me and then go and create multiple post just to front page your agenda? Some hypocrite you are.HeroGaming 23:15, February 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Blog posts are not spam. I will also remind you that you created 3 blog posts while I was banned from the wiki. I only have one blog post regarding the issue. I don't see any unfairness being committed by me here. As for your need to insult me, please refrain from doing so. It doesn't make you look good.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 23:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Those were formed when people did'nt know what was going on staff has now addressed the situation and made a public forum for it. Your only goal is to cause trouble. You are in fact a very loathsome person. Copy and pasting existing material to front page your agenda. I really hope that staff is smart enough to see through you and gracey.--HeroGaming 23:28, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 23:38, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't create THREE blog posts, TWO polls and a LIVESTREAM to front page my agenda while you were banned from the wiki. As for the insults, cease and desist.
 * You think calling some one a liar but saying they aren't being truthful is any different than an insult? You need to learn a few things. Your entire blog post agenda is a sham. Also why did you remove my messages? Truth to hard to handle? Your not fit to be on this wiki because your agenda is that of a con artist and your actions are that of a hypocrite. If you can't take someone calling your actions out you shouldn't make a blog post full of lies and paint it pretty. You know why I'm so passionate and your so tactical? because your lying. Simple liars are tactical. Your really good at it too.--HeroGaming 23:48, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough I'll use words. You are a contemptible or objectionable person who likes to tell lies and a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victim.--HeroGaming 23:53, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well.
My stance and wikia's are different. I feel like we should be inclusive of the wiki and they feel like freedom is the biggest issue. It seems your goals are more inline with wikias vision for this wiki.

A friend said this to me at the start of all of this.
 * Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
 * John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

35th president of US 1961-1963 (1917 - 1963) I can't pretend I didn't think the things I thought. I might have sounded like a crazy person to some. We have had curse admins pay off members and offer to pay off others. I over reacted out of fear for the wiki. I wish the old admins were around to attest to what curse has done but the time has now passed.

Well I can either accept wikias open policy or leave. I must say I don't like to loose. Now I am aware that I will never be this wikis bcrat again. I have never been a sore looser. You handeled yourself well and I mocked you for it, I am going to have to humble myself to be able to swallow this. I hope you aren't working for curse. For staff to not think so I must be to guarded from past issues with them and that clouded my judgement.

Where do I go from here? I am an editor with normal rights. I have brought thousands here but wikia's stance is very much that the editors are more important than the viewers. This is also hard to swallow. This is what made the wiki as big as it is. I am very torn here because on youtube the viewer is more important. What is the use of having a show without the viewier and that a good show with a million viewers is better than a great show with 50 viewers. Wikias stance is different. They don't see other wikis as competition where I see them as a direct threat to the life of a wiki. So I have to either accept these principals and live with them within the wiki or move on. I've decided to learn a lesson from this rather than be the same man forever.

I would like to be involved with the wiki for now. I would like you to create a discussion about video on the wiki and how it should be handled. I belive you said the best informative content is what you think should be on the wiki. I would like people to talk about it and the wiki to form its policies before I decide what I am going to do. I have learned about a lot of my mistakes and things I need to work on when I am in the publics eye. I still disagree with wikia's business model supporting the promotion of other wikis but I now understand that wikia isn't the owner of there company and that people who have everyday jobs take care of the wiki and make these dicisions. I think from a business prospective and that is what got the wiki to be so big but wikia thinks from a user prospective. I have a lot to swallow. Please get the video discussion under way as soon as you are able. Even though I am still a user I don't think it's my place to start the topic.

Again you handeled yourself well and I mocked you for it. That was very unwise.HeroGaming 03:44, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Well.
Hero,

I hear you when you say you don't like to lose--especially considering that you've been here so long and things have mostly gone your way. I must admit, I feared that you would immediately leave the community if the dispute wasn't resolved in your favor. I am glad to know that you're willing to consider staying. I hope you will understand if I am a little distrustful of you in the immediate future, given what's transpired recently. This is something that will heal with time. As I have said, I bear you no ill will.

First, let me assure you that what I said regarding Curse is true. I have not been in contact with them. I do not work for them. It is not my intention to ruin this wiki. However, I also firmly believe in trying to be friendly with them, and everyone in the worldwide Terraria Community. This is how I was able to gain the trust of the entire leadership of the Russian Community at ru.terraria.wikia.com, and why they continuously came here to speak out against you during this incident.

I understand that your willingness to remain here will depend highly on what the wiki's video policy looks like. I too am eager to start a discussion about the policy. Sannse said in the forum post that we should resume editing for the rest of this week and try to let things cool down. I am hopeful that early next week she'll be back to check up on us, and we can start a discussion about videos. You are undoubtedly an integral part of this wiki, and your knowledge of videos is vastly superior to anyone else currently here. Your voice in the video policy will be heard loudly. However--everyone must be given a say.

I too have learned some things out of this. For one, I have learned that it is absolutely important that bureaucratic and administrative powers remain in check. Secondly, I have learned that standing up for what you believe in is important. As you can see, many of the things that I believe in are different from the ones you do. I hope that we will be able to make some compromises in the future. It's in mine and the wiki's best interests to see you stay here.

I understand that you have a lot to swallow. For now, let's resume editing let some silence pass between us. For myself, I would like some time to think things over. However, I would like to copy/paste this correspondence between us and place it in a public location. This is so the community here is informed of what has transpired and that peace will be resuming on the wiki. If this is agreeable to you, I will create a forum post with a basic description of recent events, as well as this communication between us and link to it from the front page, as well as the Community Messages box. Agreed? Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 04:55, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I have no say in what you post and that is something I will be getting used too. HeroGaming 05:12, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Port5
First off, my god, this thing keeps trolling me and making me click the delete buttons because it switches sides with the leave message thing. XD. Second off, if there was any misunderstandings, then on behalf of Hero, sorry about that, he got pretty overprotective of this wiki and when he heard you were working close with gracey on this wiki, he got freaked out and banned you, also, if you were at all guilty of vandalising the wiki, as there is no proof, we would really appreciate you don't. Keep on truckin. Port5 23:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)Port5


 * I know what you mean, the Javascript takes a while to load and causes the buttons to move around. First off, as you haven't been around recently and I haven't spoken with you, I'd like to say hi =). Secondly, I'm glad that Hero convinced you to play Terraria again. I know how extremely depressing it can be to lose all your saved data when your computer crashes. I hope that you'll stick with the game and the wiki.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 18:26, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I take kindly to your forgiveness of misunderstandings. I would like to apologize for any misunderstandings I have caused, and I admit that I too have fostered distrust with all this off-wiki communication, and so I am not perfect or clean in this either. I fully agree with Sannse that, going forward, it's best for most communications to stay on the wiki. I can certainly see some validity in the notion that Hero was overprotective of the wiki--though from my point of view, that's an oversimplification of recent events. Regardless, in the future, I hope that all of us on the wiki will be able to forgive each other and work together going forward for the good of the community.


 * Thank you and you too, I always did want to meet you, even if Hero made you out to be a vandalist working with Gracey, about those conspiricies, I was always optimistic with you, but I have seen the proof on Gracey. Yea the story behind my data loss, I had spent over 200 hours on that character, building up my mansion and creating amazing memories on that world, about my favorite world of all time. Then, our motherboard, 250-500$(cant remember) broke, and we sent it to our friend Roger to have it fixed. He got us a new (50$ and really shitty T.T) motherboard and our hard drive that had all of my local content (which consisted of online flash games, don't really care, fuedalism 2, also don't care, and my terraria,) had to be wiped in order to work on it. Without telling us he was gonna wipe it, or ask us what we needed backed up (he did have the ability to do that and did back up about half of my dad's songs,) he went ahead and did so. I got the news 3 weeks after the motherboard broke, when we got the computer back, and it just about broke my spirit to stay on this wiki or playing terraria. It took another 3 weeks and a talk with Hero to get me to play again. Port5 03:49, February 9, 2012 (UTC)Port5

Congratulations!
I'm real happy for you that HeroGaming is gone from tyranny. Wish you good luck! --J&bull;t 05:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Image Size
The blog has yielded results of seven in favor (possibly eight), and zero against. And one cupcake. I'd say Project Deresolution is a go.


 * Hey, I know you're really eager to get started on this. I'd just like to ask that we be a teeny bit more patient. I'd like to see the blog post stay up for a couple more days and I'd like to see the discussion about 1) video policy and 2) admins begin and conclude before we actually start deciding things that will have far-reaching consequences across the hundreds of pages on the wiki.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 18:11, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to begin switching them over now, I'm not going to stop you or anything. I just feel that, since this is something that will become part of our Editing Policy (which needs to be thrown up for discussion as a whole), I think we should hold off on making a 100% definitive decision about this for now. Video policy and future admins are the most important discussions that we need to have before anything else, and I'm not going to start those discussions without Sannse's approval.


 * I see what you're saying. I can't see the blog getting many more replies, but we shall wait. Shall the poll be concluded on the eighth?
 * Edit: Ah, I see. You'd like to wait until other policies are decided before putting this one into effect.

Vandalism
Hi, do you guys have any centralized location where vandalism can be reported? I undid all vandalism by this user. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 12:52, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings. I wish to talk to you. Just the two of us. Also, can you please have a look at my talk page. I am not happy with something someone put there. Rtiger 15:28, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Corruptor
I see you undid my edit on the Corruptor page. Might I ask why?

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 01:57, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the comments, someone mentioned that the pic was Eater of Souls, not a Corruptor. I just took them at their word, and so changed back to the old picture (I did some other edits as well). I'm sorry. Feel free to change the pic back if it was correct.
 * Sí. I uploaded the wrong image. I've had a long past couple of days. :(

Next steps
Hi Mathmagician. I want to talk about next steps forward for the wiki. I think it may be best to concentrate on the video issue first, although we also need to have some general discussions about the way the wiki is administered going forward. I'm thinking that the best thing is to basically revive the original forum thread (updated to fit the current situation) and invite anyone interested to help work out a new policy page. Another option would be a blog post and comments, which can keep the conversation more organized, but I think a forum style might help us with a longer form discussion. The conversation needs to be lead by the community rather than by staff but, if it will help, I'm OK with starting it off and watching for problems as it progresses.

One thing that concerns me is that Gracey is currently blocked until Friday. I think he has a lot to offer in this discussion, and his voice should be heard. So, as a compromise, I suggest we start the forum page on Wednesday afternoon (EST) and I will lift Gracey's block then. How does that all sound? -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 04:10, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like the overall sound of this. I agree that the video discussion is the first thing we need to have, and that Gracey should participate in it. Let's begin on Wednesday. I personally won't be able participate until about 2 or 3 PM Pacific Time (5 or 6 PM EST) due to my school/work schedule, but I don't think that's too much of a problem. I will take some immediate additional steps to alert the community here that our video policy discussion will begin on Wednesday.


 * As you indicated, for the video policy discussion itself, two issues need to be addressed. How can we have a highly detailed and lengthy discussion? (forum works best). And how can we hear from all members of the community? (blog post works best, because people here love comments). To combine these ideas and keep everything in one place, I would like to make the following unusual proposition: We use a regular content page. The page itself will be treated as if it were a forum thread, and the comments will be for users who are not as comfortable with the forum format. Once the discussion is over, our community can figure out what to do with that content page.


 * As the neutral party, I would feel most comfortable if you started the page (possibly at Video Policy Discussion), just to set the tone and some very basic goals and guidelines for the discussion. I feel that everyone needs to be reminded not to make personal attacks, to be polite, and not to vandalize the discussion. I will take an active role in watching the page history and comments, and warning people if necessary. Hopefully no bans will be required, but if they are, they should come from you.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 07:28, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * The second big issue that needs to be addressed is administrators and bureaucrats--who should they be and what is expected of them. This is another community discussion that requires your oversight. I favor having the administrative discussion at the same time as the video policy discussion (I recommend a 2nd content page such as Administration Discussion), as that way we can all get back to playing Terraria a little more quickly, but if you think it's better to have these discussions one at a time, that's how we'll do it. Thanks Sannse,
 * I really like the idea of using a content page for this. It's a novel idea, but hopefully one that will help get all the voices heard. I'll write up an introduction for both pages, and be ready to post on Wednesday. If you can make sure the key people are aware of the discussion, that will help. Hopefully we should be able to find the right way to move everything forward :) -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog)  21:17, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Various Things
Thanks for notifying me regarding the wiki discussion, I'll be sure to keep an eye out for the thread. Also, there seems to be no information regarding the game pre-release on the wiki. Not on the version history pages. Not on the content pages. There seems to be no pre-release category. Why is this? Entirely off-topic, but I was going to ask anyway.


 * I wasn't around in the pre-release era either. I suppose that's just the way I personally organize things... having the information available that certain items were available in the alpha version of the game while others were not. I don't guess it truly matters, it's just something I was wondering about. Of course, in a broader scope, one could say that the pre-release changes were made in the 1.0 update, and be entirely correct... it just comes down to preference.
 * Also, I may or may not be able to join the community discussion later. Things are looking fine at the moment, but I can't say for certain.

Re: Discussion
Hey Math, thanks for letting me know about the forum discussion. I should be online at the time, so I'll be able to contribute and lend my thoughts and opinions on the matters at hand too. Anyway, best of luck 'til then. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #700, 0 0 0.1em #F87, 0 0.1em 0.2em #F87;">08 Feb, 2012 - 03:27:58am

Again you suprise me.
Your rational responses leave me floored. It seems after things have settled down you are as graceful in your words as always. I may have been wrong about you and wrong to assume you were working with gracey in any way. (maybe I am paranoid. Curse has done to much for me to trust anything involving them.) I have nothing against Yrimir and Terrariahelp personally. From the standpoint of the wiki I don't like directing traffic to a competitor which is what they do in video, descriptions on videos, and in livestreams. They are almost as pro terrariaonline as I am pro our wiki. I am glad to hear that your intentions aren't direct promotion of them on the wiki. They send to much traffic to terrariaonline. You are right there are plenty of youtubers that do tutorials and we can talk about that in the discussion.

Mod.
On the topic of the mod it's not really a mod it's more of an expansion for the community that I am working on for the community. The developers are being kept up to date on every single change and have had there say in it. It will be publicly endorsed by them and isn't even my mod. I just brought the team together and helped them make it. I have done basically only sprite work. The team though is building the most balanced expansion to terraria that anyone could ask for with constant updates. Right now I'm just deciding where to house all of the knowledge of the unnamed mod at the moment. Originally we intended to use it as a booster for this wiki. Something to set it apart from every other wiki, I'm just not sure at the moment if I should just have one of the coders craft a wiki instead. My goal was never money from the project so I didn't want to get into making a website and doing all of that but now it seems we might go that route. Anywho the mod has some other exiting stuff I can't talk about yet because it's not final with the devs. Needless to say I am exited although this situation has left me a little sore with building huge communities up though Wikia. I mean it's more than frustrating to be the one who builds something just to have wikia take it away at there discretion. It's just something I have to deal with. I have to chose to be under Wikia's absolute control, find another website who I feel would be any better for the communities I build, or do it myself. This is something I will be trying to deal with internally for future endeavors related to other games.

P.S. Thought I would add a picture of the Capture The Flag portion of the mod they finished today. I can't wait to play this on multi.



Getting Sidetracked.
I have already built 2 other wikis that are already #1 in google through my promotion and some other things I have learned. Crazy side note: I found out how to make pretty much any wiki beat out an opposing wiki at the start of its growth in google. I've done so much for Wikia that hasn't been looked at. I'm sure I've made them 10's of thousands of dollars and asked for nothing in return. I suppose this is how curse probably got started. Someone got jaded after some indecent and started hosting there own wikis. Who knows I don't even want to get into this market it's to much time away from my real goal which is to produce a game in 2 years and I find myself sidetracked by these situations.HeroGaming 05:04, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Thanks for telling me about the discussion when it begins could you link it on my talk page?

Koggeh

The same for me would be appreciated. Thanks!

Dak47922 talk contrib count 18:57, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

logo
Hey the logo, I think you resized it. What dimensions do you want it to be I can redo it in high quality or maybe even update some new armours Like cobalt and adamantite? can do the same for wallpaper. just give me the dimension. The wallpapaer is tricky though depending on the dimensions it doesnt sit right.HeroGaming 16:24, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry about the logo problem - we had a bug this morning that was stretching them (fixed now). I'm catching up on other discussions, but wanted to jump in on this one -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png  (help forum | blog)  20:58, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

vids
I still disagree with having youtubers who promote TerrariaOnline as much as they do. Yrimir has a few tutorials that I think should be full articles with vids on the wiki but my concern is still how much traffic they send to terrariaonline. Like his crab engine tutorial video. I think hes the only one who has a video on it. I can't recall if there is direct promotion in video for terraria online or not let me check.HeroGaming 00:02, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * That video is a tutorial and there is no mention of Terraria Online. I still don't like that he does promote them like he does but in this video I can see it being on the wiki. That being said there is a lot of his content that isn't tutorial at all and is just for entertainment. Speedruns, multi boss death rooms, and stuff like that which isn't tutorials and a lot of the time is promoting T.O. So I am ok with tutorials of his that have no promotion of T.O. and are actually tuts but not every video like I have said there are plenty of directors who I think are acceptable outside of me. He should be a last resort. I don't think the policy should have anything to do with one of those directors specifically. It should be guidelines that help the wiki. Not be a battle over who likes what youtuber more.--HeroGaming 00:12, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Forgot one
Hey can you also unprotect my profile page. Thanks <span id="User:Gracey91" class="plainlinks">Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 05:41, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Terrariaonline and wiki
Hi Mathmagician. Sorry for butting in here, but I've been seeing some confused comments about terrariaonline and "the other wiki". In particular, things like "Terrariaonline is the rival wiki".

I just wanted to point out that terrariaonline.com is actually a forum based community (the only one I know of, too). Our wiki is a wiki.subdomain, yes, but that is an entirely different community and webpage. As a matter of fact, as pointed out by Hero, they have already hosted videos by Hero on their main pages. I myself had never even heard of this Yrimir up to this point. I have never left the wiki, and Yrimir has never been on the wiki. Yrimir is promoting his community (his link is terrariaonline.com), and not the wiki. To be honest, I don't think he really cares about either of our wikis :D EDIT: Especially since he isn't even allowed to post them on the TO.wiki, so he has no reason to promote it anyways...

Of course, both are tightly binded, and I understand that "terrariaonline-the domain" is also a community you may not want to promote, which is also totally fine by me. I just felt the comments were a bit uninformed, and I wanted to point it out. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 08:35, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
Could you block 94.1.148.19 for is edits to the WoF page. Thanks!

Dak47922 talk contrib count 18:41, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding a matter.
Meet me in chat. Koggeh

New Template
Against my better judgment, I went ahead and made a template. Please review this page and make a decision. Having two seperate templates for day and night, in my opinion, takes up infobox space needlessly. Mummy page before and after the new template.

Edit: I used anytime after recalling a time when Gracey said that American English should always be used. I also capitalized the first letter so that it would conform with the other spawntime templates. I believe that it looks better with the first letter lowercased, but I decided to play it safe, lol. I tend to overthink things.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 22:48, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice. I like the new template, looks good, conserves space. You might want to get Path's opinion too, he's the one who made the Day and Night templates I believe. I prefer the first letter capitalized myself, but it's not a huge deal to me.


 * I never made the D/N Templates with the intention of using them both together, so this bodes very well with me. ^_^ Nice Idea Dzy. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #700, 0 0 0.1em #F87, 0 0.1em 0.2em #F87;">10 Feb, 2012 - 11:06:57pm