User talk:Happypal/Archive July 2011

Table
Ok, I really hate that table style. The double borders are awful. -- Wynthyst  talk  14:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Me too! I forgot to put a "border-collapse:collapse" in there...
 * I was a bit hasty in my request, I'm tweaking it locally right now, and I'll show you the finished product. Happypal 14:02, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The tables here pretty much do not have internal borders, I think it's a much cleaner look. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Me too. I'm writting something better right now. Happypal 14:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Tables 2
Ok, here are two tables. If you find them good, the css should work correctly this time. Sorry for asking the first time without even checking, how arrogant of me! Happypal 14:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The first (left) is truer to the current desing.
 * The second (right) has slightly rounded internal edges. I find it more attractive to the eye.


 * Need a little more padding between headers and outer border.... I prefer the first one btw. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Table 3
Like this? I added some padding between the outer box and the internal cells. It is should result in an exact css replica of the infobox. The only differences are the margins, since the infobox floats on the right, and a table is not a float, and on the left. table.terraria { margin: 1em 1em 1em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaaaaa solid; padding: 0.2em; -moz-border-radius: .7em; -webkit-border-radius: .7em; } .terraria th, .terraria td { padding: 0.2em; } .terraria th { background: #E4F0F7; color: #063B5E; text-align: center; } .terraria td { } .terraria caption { font-weight: bold; }

Damn You
Actually that's exactly what I was trying to do with it. Thank you, I'll be cannibalizing your code later to make a new one =D -Shadowclaimer 14:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Just, you'll notice I put 2 rows for the torch: The first one uses a rowspan="2" mech, whereas the second simply uses a br. I think the br approach is better, because the code is easier. Once put in production, editors will tear your table appart, so simpler is better. Happypal 15:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm still very new to making tables so I'm taking the cannibalization method for making them where I look at code on other tables and appropriate it elsewhere. I've used a couple guides (IE: Wikipedia's table guide) but its still a tad complicated (I'm used to other wikis where making tables is done with a tool lol). I intend to eventually hope my table comes out well enough to be approved to takeover the Recipe page with, as I feel the icons add some much needed flail, but thats still up for debate lol -Shadowclaimer 15:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * br's suck.. and I will be removing them anywhere I find them :P -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Never! Why do they suck particularly though? (Out of curiosity) -Shadowclaimer 16:12, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Stop
Do not make further changes to the template until it's decided what to do with it. Ever single change you make causes the server to parse out to every page it's used on. DISCUSS changes ALWAYS. I don't know how to stress this enough. If I have to I will lock down every single template on this wiki until you guys get this simple simple concept into your heads. -- Wynthyst  talk  09:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I do go on your page to discuss, since you are pretty much the only person here who has an opinion on anything. My changes are revertible. Forgive me for being bold, but that is also how wikis work. Happypal 10:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm not complaining about your changes.. I'm complaining about the FREQUENCY of them.. use your shandbox/test page to finalize your design before implementing them on the actual template. You are causing the server to parse out each and every tiny change you make to every single page the template is used on. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try to limit my edits on template pages to the minimum then. But I do test (most of) my changes. Happypal 10:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Man. You know, some of us (like myself) haven't seriously contributed to a wiki before, and don't know all the consequences of certain changes and are just here trying to contribute. It's disheartening that you have to address people the way you do. I get that you're frustrated that people are traipsing around breaking what are probably pretty well established protocols or whatever but there are nicer ways of saying it. You can link people to pages on wiki etiquette. You can revert changes and say "please start a discussion for this". I really don't feel like contributing with someone like you around jumping down everyone's throats. Maybe you are just having a bad day - most of the comments you leave on your talk page are much nicer - but still. Vissith 10:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In his defense, I am a serious contributor (IMO). I've read (and know) proper etiquette. Furthermore, when touching a templates like crafting, you are taking the responsibility to do things correctly. So if I do it wrong, I am entitled to reprimand. While I don't appreciate the tone of the comment, the arguments are valid. Wynthyst is the sole admin on this wiki, and is probably under a massive workload to prevent the wiki from crumbling in pieces. While I do believe my edits make the wiki better, he has to supervise each and every one of them - My bad edits are his overtime. Unfortunately, a wiki is not a democracy, and the best admins are usually the most repressive - those that keep order. Happypal 11:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're doing a good job, don't worry about that. Ju ze User_Juze_sig_icon.jpg 16:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree completely with everything you said, Happypal, it's just the delivery that's been irking me. I'm sure the workload is pretty crazy. However, it's also his responsibility to stop commenting when he's so cranky he's going to turn people off from contributing. And yeah, the admins should absolutely enforce some sort of order, but I think most people that are going to contribute in the first place realize that and as such have no need to be talked down to. I'll adjust/revert/discuss whatever, and if I'm not currently doing something I should be, all it takes is a polite note. Vissith 17:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I do apologize if my tone has seemed over harsh. Believe me, I appreciate all of the contributions you are all making, and seriously, at this time, I'm also evaluating members of the community for potential promotion to admin status. I do however have the responsibility of keeping things running, and constant changes to widely used templates is counter to that as it adds to server load. While this wiki is still small enough that hopefully the servers can take it, I'm trying to stop bad habits from forming early. I also want this to be a "community" wiki, where discussion reigns supreme. I'm not an evil dictator, though it may seem that way sometimes. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  18:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wynthyst. And I totally get where you are coming from and agree with at least the content of everything you've been saying. I can't speak to Happypal's experience level, but I'm pretty novice - and in real life I'm a game programmer, so it's my instinct to go start learning and modifying templates and stuff. I may have inadvertently started making a lot of mistakes in the near future. I've also learned around the periphery that Wikis usually have a "be bold" philosophy where you dive in and start editing. I respect that for templates in particular more testing and discussion needs to happen first (which is probably why you were annoyed when I was editing the ore navboxes and item link), how can future users prevent getting into a situation where they are causing a problem? Perhaps a section about what changes should be discussed first - like template editing - could be added to the wiki rules page? Vissith 18:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)