User talk:Mathmagician/2

Bad housing
Hey Mathmagician,

i read that anyone was free to contact you with problems of housing so here i am.

my housing says it is suitable, but when i click for a NPC to live there the flag doesnt show up and they do nothing.

the housing was fine a while ago, nothing has changed they just decided to move out,

my only conclusion is that they are bored of their house :p

my house it built underground, i have cleared all blocks around it so there is no corruption/hallowed

i have indicated with a picture which houses are with the issue. Thanks

RogueBeef :)RogueBeef 17:40, January 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, I looked at your house in high resolution. If your NPCs used to live a house just fine, and then suddenly they refuse to (and you didn't change the house at all), then there's only two possible explanations so far as I know. 1) Corruption has spread closer to your house. 2) A new patch came out, possibly changing the housing requirements.


 * Your rooms themselves look fine to me. I see no problems with any of the rooms. But you told me that you cleared all the Hallow/Corruption around your house, yet I see Pearlstone and hallowed grass on the picture! Here's what I have to say about that. 1) Please be aware that Hallow does not cause housing problems. 2) Corruption does cause housing problems, sometimes from a very long distance away from your house--like completely off the screen where you can't see it. Please read Home. I'm almost positive that there is corruption to the left of your house that you can't see. Also, do you have a corrupt farm to the right of your house, (possibly for growing Deathweed or Vile Mushrooms)? Because that's also a problem.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 20:49, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hope this helps. Like I said, I'm almost positive that the corruption is at fault here.


 * hey Mathmagician, i cleared some more corruption and sure enough it was the issue :)


 * Thanks for your help :)


 * 93.96.12.61 19:50, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism 23 January 2012
Hey Mathmagician, on the Breaker blade page in the notes section there is a link on grass blade, yeah when I went there it went to a fat lady search on google and i'm just reporting it, very digusting!Donoman 22:35, January 23, 2012 (UTC) Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 01:46, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the alert, it's been taken care of.

Opinion
Hey Math i was wondering if i could get your opinion. I have recently found the russian based [|terraria wiki] and i think we should partner with them. As we do get non-english speaking people quiet often and it would be good if they could understand what they are reading. What i want to do is just add a simple link to them in the navigation and get them do the same for us, as some of there users speak quiet good english. What do you think? There wiki looks pretty tidy too and one of the burecrats speaks pretty good english. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 12:50, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

RE
I think that's a good idea. We (both wikis) could probably both help each other out a little, and you're right that we get a lot of non-english people. It seems Terraria is starting to move in the multilingual direction anyways (patch 1.1.2, also Curse's translation projects), so I do like the idea a partnership very much. Very smart. (Random: google translate of their community message says bans will be given for math lol...)

Also, more vandalism/spam today than usual if you check our talk pages, my contribs, or the logs. I was not happy about this. Also 2 things (here comes wall of text...) 1) I'm done working on the editing policy, I don't know what to add to it unless you have specific instructions on what you want me to do. Let's try to get that implemented soon.

2) If you go to w:c:ru.terraria:Световой_диск and scroll down, see how they have crafting separate from the infobox? That's not unique to their wiki by the way. I very much want to bring this kind of layout to our wiki. (I've been thinking about this for a while, I didn't just come up with the idea upon seeing their wiki.)

Reasons

 * Organizationally, it makes sense to me to keep crafting separate from the other item details.
 * Some of our pages have massive infoboxes and/or item names word wrap because infoboxes aren't wide enough for them. Moving the crafting table into the article to the left (possibly under a Header 2) improves the formatting of these pages.
 * Some pages have tiny infoboxes and a massive article. No problem, can optionally float the crafting table to the right under the infobox to improve the floating stuff / article ratio (if that's important)
 * Can put a picture next to links in the crafting table, just like in table templates.
 * Can display item quantities better in the crafting table. Our current infoboxes do not handle cases like Holy Water very well at all, because there's no parameter for "amount produced" and even if there was that would make the infoboxes bigger.

Implementation

 * A template named CraftingTable (or some other name) should contain all the formatting information. Can pass it parameters for materials, quantities, crafting station, location to float the table, etc, etc. For items within this table, instead of code like Iron Ore, we would use code like.
 * A template named IconLink (or some other name) should take a parameter such as "Iron Ore", another optional size parameter, say 23, and possibly even an optional yes/no parameter about whether to display the icon in front of the link or not. The template would then spit out something like this: Terraria Iron Ore.png Ore In other words, as long as we have a uniform naming system for item icons, the template produces the icon for us. Also since it's a template, can easily turn off the icons until the items have been renamed according to this uniform naming system (or make it so that the icon only gets displayed if the associated image file exists).

Estimated Time
The hardest part of this would be making sure we have a uniform naming system for item icons like the ones used in table templates. Like I said we can easily turn off icons by adjusting IconLink template. Once the templates are made, converting item pages to use this new layout would go extremely fast. Like, assuming the templates are already done, I could easily convert 25+ item pages a day to the new layout and have this implemented across the wiki in 2 weeks tops by myself, faster with help. Oh yeah, and existing pages that haven't yet been converted wouldn't be harmed in any way. Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 01:46, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I love that idea as well. I have seen that layout implemented in the official wiki, and there are many claims of this wiki "cloning" their site as it is, despite the fact that the Wikia was here far before the official wiki even existed. I'm not trying to dissuade this project, as I very much prefer that layout, and I don't really care what the official wiki thinks of us. As is customary, I'd love to help with the project if it goes through.


 * Also, I left a reply on the topic of Hamachi above.


 * One more thing. If it's undesirable or considered rude in some way to jump in little chats like these with my own input, let me know now and I'll begin minding my own business.


 * Dzylon 02:22, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * The template they use is stolen from curse, and they legally aren't meant to use it. We would have to make one. I'm not so keen on additional templates on pages. I like the idea of making the infobox's collapsible instead. The icon names would also have to be adjusted since they aren't all named the same.


 * At Dzylon, what your doing is common on most wikis and i don't think there is anything wrong with it. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 06:06, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also regarding the vandalism, its pretty common. It spikes sometimes but in all honesty this is nothing compared to what its been like. Just try to ignore them, most give up once you block them. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 06:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Crafting
I'm not so keen on trying to do everything with one template when it can be done far better with 2. The current infoboxes do not handle crafting very well. And since crafting is one of, if not the most important pieces of information, it needs special attention. Our current layout of crafting in infoboxes deserves some kind of renovation. (Also with regards to Curse I am in no way supporting/promoting stealing their stuff. We should make our own templates.)

We do not have a "Quantity Crafted" parameter--that's a problem. "Crafted With" and "Crafting Station" appear in the left column and their fields appear in the right column. This is a formatting problem when item names are long (word wrap = ugly), when we want icons, or when when the list of items is long. Any attempt at improving the crafting layout inside the infobox will either require making the infoboxes wider or longer, both are out of the question because 1) Hero's videos will get squished or 2) longer infoboxes are a layout nightmare for us--we're not wikipedia. Therefore, we very, very much so need a new template for crafting.

Also, while the collapsible infoboxes are neat, I am concerned about why we would be wanting to collapse infoboxes or parts of infoboxes? All info in infoboxes is very basic stuff that everyone wants to know always. Hiding that information is counterproductive in my opinion. If you don't want to add in a bunch of new templates into pages to handle the icon/link thing, I'm willing to let that slide as a compromise. At the very least, I firmly believe that we need a new template for crafting. Please allow one additional, separate template for crafting per item page. Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 07:06, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * First off it seems you feel if dislike something, thats how it is. I'm not like that, i have had many people sway my opinion and I'm happy to work with you.


 * I believe i can change the current templates to highlight the crafting section as you would like without the need for an additional template, i think i can also keep them around the same size, maybe a tiny bit longer. I will work on that and show you what i come up with.


 * My reasons are. 1) I don't like the way the wiki is becoming more and more like the curse run wiki. We should be different and not just copy there ideas, even if we do take influence from what they have done i think it should still appear somewhat unique.


 * 2) I think adding another template below the existing infobox template will make some pages too long with mostly white space. I'm sure you will say we can add it to the left but then it wont work on some pages. I feel it should pretty much always be in the same place so users know where to look and pages to generally look the same.


 * I think we should both come up with full examples of what we want to do and we can present them to each other before we make a decision. Like who knows one of us might like the others idea more than our own. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 09:01, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

A new section
The terraria helper2 05:54, January 24, 2012 (UTC)Thanks i was seeing it it was a troller and you were right with the damage:).

Connected with Russian wiki
Hey just letting you one of the Russian Wikia staff have added the link to the front page for the Russian wiki. Diff is here, i didn't realize it was so easy. Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 13:49, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

i am pokemon4life and like i said i got 3 other acounts and i made(helped) make pokemon and im only 28! and yes i have facebook.how come no one likes pokemon.guess im gonna quit my job 4 pokemon cuz of u! thanks a lot jerky jerk jerk!Kayla Kerr 04:18, January 28, 2012 (UTC)kayla kerr,terrariagirl8,pokemon4lifeKayla Kerr 04:18, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Gracey has been removed as an admin.

I want to clear some things up. Gracey quit the wiki because he didnt get one thing his way. i begged him to come back to the wiki and humbled myself greatly to help the wiki. It decided to through aside my pride and tell him all the things he was great at and not focus on any o the negatives just to try to make him happy. we had been private chating for some time. after much pleading he came back and told me in private "im going to do everything i can to destroy your wiki LOL" but then he started making normal edits. i thought he was joking until he started the vote on the videos. his real goal is to mess the wiki up because he is mad he wasnt the head admin and couldnt turn the wiki into a boring text based wiki. i have spoken to wiki staff and tae kim was tlaking about taking me on as a video intern for wiki because of how well the video was doing and how much it helped the wiki.

this issue has been handeled many times and gracey is no longer an admin because he only wants to cause trouble because he didnt get 1 thing he wanted.

i am going to pick up the slack in his absense.HeroGaming 17:09, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
When promoted to admin i asked if you were ok with how the videos were run you said yes. the issue is already closed. gracey is trying to make the wiki a difficult place by causeing a bunch of trouble for me because he is mad he didnt get his way about one thing. and yrimir is involved with the Russian wiki. he post there. this wiki is not a battle about youtubers. yrimir desnt do item tuts he rarely does them. this issue was closed months ago.

Id also like to ad he only brought this to a vote for personal resons and i am the wikis video admin issues about video should be brought to me prior to trying to make a vote with closed doors conversations. gracey has made me aware that you guys had talked about doing this off the wiki. if you wanted to help the wiki and talk about video i should have been the first person to come too about it. i was very clear in the message that i sent you before promoting you that i handle video. The reason why is low quality content being removed back and forth over and over. sre jessecox has a letsplay. that has no place on the wiki. this is an informative wiki. we arent going to put a video up of him a TB fight ing the eye of cuthulu with no talk about how to beat him just because the vids are funny. this issue has been closed and i dont like how gracey recommended to promote you when he said he was quiting just so he could come back and you two could plan things behind my back instead of coming to the wikiw video admin. you were a great help but i am removing you as an admin because yours and graceys behind door tacitcs are not welcome on the wiki. he quit and recommended you then came back only to have you as a side vote. i see now why he recommended you.and that is not something that i want on the wiki i have worked so hard to build. its not about edit could its about building traffic to the wiki. I am very saddend by all of this. i told him he was a friend so instead he enlist a group of people to try and get power on the wiki instead of just being happy to be part of something. i am very sad. its ok though. its ok thought the wiki will grow and we will find new admins who dont have selfish motives.--HeroGaming 17:36, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hero banned User:Gracey91 and you.
I created a call for help topic on the wikia support forums: Argument Thread
 * Note: My message above was edited by User:Port5. The original message I left is saved in the history, with oldid=227828. Since Port5 is an admin I don't feel comfortable reverting his edit. But I did remove my signature, since that message no longer belongs to me. (What he did is probably against the rules, but I find it reasonable. Shortening the title and the link is definitely good, and showing Hero in a slightly better light doesn't matter.) 3ICE 00:21, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I HOPE you get kicked from TERRARIA WIKI FOREVER DAMMITTerraria Hero 21:38, January 29, 2012 (UTC)Terraria Hero

I'm terribly sorry
I don't know what's going on or why it happened, but if you get this could you please email me at failstrom@yahoo.com? I see a petty power struggle that's going to be very detrimental for the wiki and may be able to help. 22:36, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

The Community has voted.
The Community has voted. This vote shows exactly what the community wants and it was placed on the front page for all to see, not hidden away for malicious purposes. The poll was taken down because the outcome was more than obvious in both polls by thousands of votes and we don't need this negative business on the front page forever.

New admins
I will be looking for a few new admins over the next week or so to help out on the wiki. This wiki isn't a one man job its a team, so I will be looking for a few good admins who are team oriented and their goals are to have fun helping on a wiki for a game they love.

Bright Future.
Our wiki has grown very large. I would like to think I have played a very big role in that by sending thousands of people here from youtube. I showed my stats and showed that the wiki was less than 10% of my traffic and that I help the wiki more than the wiki helps me. I helped push our wiki to the top spot on google by bringing in so many editors and I did it because I love the game and wanted to build a community. I will continue to promote this wiki in every video I produce related to Terraria tutorials either by giving a shout out to the wiki or by linking to it in the description of my videos. Thank you for your existing support and kind words. Again I will do my best to promote the kind hearted admins and direct as much traffic back to the wiki as possible.HeroGaming 02:59, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Forum Thread
Hi, just to make sure you see it... please can you join me on Forum:Wiki Mediation? Thanks -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog)  21:58, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Please respond on the thread specifically to those sections. thanks
I would like your feedback in the mediation thread. On the section about video. I don't think you understand video and how its role on the wiki has changed this wiki from underdog to Topdog. Please read that section and respond. also please respond why you didn't come to me about your issues.HeroGaming 03:23, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Your blog post is a repost of Something that is already public and should be removed as spam. Since I have my hands tied at the moment i haven't removed it. You copy pasted the exact same info from the mediation that is public into a blog to abuse the blogs feature. 1) you should stop talking badly about me when its lies. 2) you shoudl stop abusing wiki features to promote your own agenda of ruining the wiki on curse' behalf.

You should feel like a scumbag fyi. I mean you really wanna talk badly about me and then go and create multiple post just to front page your agenda? Some hypocrit you are.HeroGaming 23:14, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Your a hypocrite
Your blog post is a re post of Something that is already public and should be removed as spam. Since I have my hands tied at the moment i haven't removed it. You copy pasted the exact same info from the mediation that is public into a blog to abuse the blogs feature. 1) you should stop talking badly about me when its lies. 2) you should stop abusing wiki features to promote your own agenda of ruining the wiki on curse' behalf. You should feel like a scumbag fyi. I mean you really wanna talk badly about me and then go and create multiple post just to front page your agenda? Some hypocrite you are.HeroGaming 23:15, February 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Blog posts are not spam. I will also remind you that you created 3 blog posts while I was banned from the wiki. I only have one blog post regarding the issue. I don't see any unfairness being committed by me here. As for your need to insult me, please refrain from doing so. It doesn't make you look good.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 23:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Those were formed when people did'nt know what was going on staff has now addressed the situation and made a public forum for it. Your only goal is to cause trouble. You are in fact a very loathsome person. Copy and pasting existing material to front page your agenda. I really hope that staff is smart enough to see through you and gracey.--HeroGaming 23:28, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 23:38, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't create THREE blog posts, TWO polls and a LIVESTREAM to front page my agenda while you were banned from the wiki. As for the insults, cease and desist.
 * You think calling some one a liar but saying they aren't being truthful is any different than an insult? You need to learn a few things. Your entire blog post agenda is a sham. Also why did you remove my messages? Truth to hard to handle? Your not fit to be on this wiki because your agenda is that of a con artist and your actions are that of a hypocrite. If you can't take someone calling your actions out you shouldn't make a blog post full of lies and paint it pretty. You know why I'm so passionate and your so tactical? because your lying. Simple liars are tactical. Your really good at it too.--HeroGaming 23:48, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough I'll use words. You are a contemptible or objectionable person who likes to tell lies and a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victim.--HeroGaming 23:53, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well.
My stance and wikia's are different. I feel like we should be inclusive of the wiki and they feel like freedom is the biggest issue. It seems your goals are more inline with wikias vision for this wiki.

A friend said this to me at the start of all of this.
 * Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
 * John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

35th president of US 1961-1963 (1917 - 1963) I can't pretend I didn't think the things I thought. I might have sounded like a crazy person to some. We have had curse admins pay off members and offer to pay off others. I over reacted out of fear for the wiki. I wish the old admins were around to attest to what curse has done but the time has now passed.

Well I can either accept wikias open policy or leave. I must say I don't like to loose. Now I am aware that I will never be this wikis bcrat again. I have never been a sore looser. You handeled yourself well and I mocked you for it, I am going to have to humble myself to be able to swallow this. I hope you aren't working for curse. For staff to not think so I must be to guarded from past issues with them and that clouded my judgement.

Where do I go from here? I am an editor with normal rights. I have brought thousands here but wikia's stance is very much that the editors are more important than the viewers. This is also hard to swallow. This is what made the wiki as big as it is. I am very torn here because on youtube the viewer is more important. What is the use of having a show without the viewier and that a good show with a million viewers is better than a great show with 50 viewers. Wikias stance is different. They don't see other wikis as competition where I see them as a direct threat to the life of a wiki. So I have to either accept these principals and live with them within the wiki or move on. I've decided to learn a lesson from this rather than be the same man forever.

I would like to be involved with the wiki for now. I would like you to create a discussion about video on the wiki and how it should be handled. I belive you said the best informative content is what you think should be on the wiki. I would like people to talk about it and the wiki to form its policies before I decide what I am going to do. I have learned about a lot of my mistakes and things I need to work on when I am in the publics eye. I still disagree with wikia's business model supporting the promotion of other wikis but I now understand that wikia isn't the owner of there company and that people who have everyday jobs take care of the wiki and make these dicisions. I think from a business prospective and that is what got the wiki to be so big but wikia thinks from a user prospective. I have a lot to swallow. Please get the video discussion under way as soon as you are able. Even though I am still a user I don't think it's my place to start the topic.

Again you handeled yourself well and I mocked you for it. That was very unwise.HeroGaming 03:44, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Well.
Hero,

I hear you when you say you don't like to lose--especially considering that you've been here so long and things have mostly gone your way. I must admit, I feared that you would immediately leave the community if the dispute wasn't resolved in your favor. I am glad to know that you're willing to consider staying. I hope you will understand if I am a little distrustful of you in the immediate future, given what's transpired recently. This is something that will heal with time. As I have said, I bear you no ill will.

First, let me assure you that what I said regarding Curse is true. I have not been in contact with them. I do not work for them. It is not my intention to ruin this wiki. However, I also firmly believe in trying to be friendly with them, and everyone in the worldwide Terraria Community. This is how I was able to gain the trust of the entire leadership of the Russian Community at ru.terraria.wikia.com, and why they continuously came here to speak out against you during this incident.

I understand that your willingness to remain here will depend highly on what the wiki's video policy looks like. I too am eager to start a discussion about the policy. Sannse said in the forum post that we should resume editing for the rest of this week and try to let things cool down. I am hopeful that early next week she'll be back to check up on us, and we can start a discussion about videos. You are undoubtedly an integral part of this wiki, and your knowledge of videos is vastly superior to anyone else currently here. Your voice in the video policy will be heard loudly. However--everyone must be given a say.

I too have learned some things out of this. For one, I have learned that it is absolutely important that bureaucratic and administrative powers remain in check. Secondly, I have learned that standing up for what you believe in is important. As you can see, many of the things that I believe in are different from the ones you do. I hope that we will be able to make some compromises in the future. It's in mine and the wiki's best interests to see you stay here.

I understand that you have a lot to swallow. For now, let's resume editing let some silence pass between us. For myself, I would like some time to think things over. However, I would like to copy/paste this correspondence between us and place it in a public location. This is so the community here is informed of what has transpired and that peace will be resuming on the wiki. If this is agreeable to you, I will create a forum post with a basic description of recent events, as well as this communication between us and link to it from the front page, as well as the Community Messages box. Agreed? Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 04:55, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I have no say in what you post and that is something I will be getting used too. HeroGaming 05:12, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Port5
First off, my god, this thing keeps trolling me and making me click the delete buttons because it switches sides with the leave message thing. XD. Second off, if there was any misunderstandings, then on behalf of Hero, sorry about that, he got pretty overprotective of this wiki and when he heard you were working close with gracey on this wiki, he got freaked out and banned you, also, if you were at all guilty of vandalising the wiki, as there is no proof, we would really appreciate you don't. Keep on truckin. Port5 23:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)Port5


 * I know what you mean, the Javascript takes a while to load and causes the buttons to move around. First off, as you haven't been around recently and I haven't spoken with you, I'd like to say hi =). Secondly, I'm glad that Hero convinced you to play Terraria again. I know how extremely depressing it can be to lose all your saved data when your computer crashes. I hope that you'll stick with the game and the wiki.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 18:26, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I take kindly to your forgiveness of misunderstandings. I would like to apologize for any misunderstandings I have caused, and I admit that I too have fostered distrust with all this off-wiki communication, and so I am not perfect or clean in this either. I fully agree with Sannse that, going forward, it's best for most communications to stay on the wiki. I can certainly see some validity in the notion that Hero was overprotective of the wiki--though from my point of view, that's an oversimplification of recent events. Regardless, in the future, I hope that all of us on the wiki will be able to forgive each other and work together going forward for the good of the community.


 * Thank you and you too, I always did want to meet you, even if Hero made you out to be a vandalist working with Gracey, about those conspiricies, I was always optimistic with you, but I have seen the proof on Gracey. Yea the story behind my data loss, I had spent over 200 hours on that character, building up my mansion and creating amazing memories on that world, about my favorite world of all time. Then, our motherboard, 250-500$(cant remember) broke, and we sent it to our friend Roger to have it fixed. He got us a new (50$ and really shitty T.T) motherboard and our hard drive that had all of my local content (which consisted of online flash games, don't really care, fuedalism 2, also don't care, and my terraria,) had to be wiped in order to work on it. Without telling us he was gonna wipe it, or ask us what we needed backed up (he did have the ability to do that and did back up about half of my dad's songs,) he went ahead and did so. I got the news 3 weeks after the motherboard broke, when we got the computer back, and it just about broke my spirit to stay on this wiki or playing terraria. It took another 3 weeks and a talk with Hero to get me to play again. Port5 03:49, February 9, 2012 (UTC)Port5

Congratulations!
I'm real happy for you that HeroGaming is gone from tyranny. Wish you good luck! --J&bull;t 05:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Image Size
The blog has yielded results of seven in favor (possibly eight), and zero against. And one cupcake. I'd say Project Deresolution is a go.


 * Hey, I know you're really eager to get started on this. I'd just like to ask that we be a teeny bit more patient. I'd like to see the blog post stay up for a couple more days and I'd like to see the discussion about 1) video policy and 2) admins begin and conclude before we actually start deciding things that will have far-reaching consequences across the hundreds of pages on the wiki.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 18:11, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to begin switching them over now, I'm not going to stop you or anything. I just feel that, since this is something that will become part of our Editing Policy (which needs to be thrown up for discussion as a whole), I think we should hold off on making a 100% definitive decision about this for now. Video policy and future admins are the most important discussions that we need to have before anything else, and I'm not going to start those discussions without Sannse's approval.


 * I see what you're saying. I can't see the blog getting many more replies, but we shall wait. Shall the poll be concluded on the eighth?
 * Edit: Ah, I see. You'd like to wait until other policies are decided before putting this one into effect.

Vandalism
Hi, do you guys have any centralized location where vandalism can be reported? I undid all vandalism by this user. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 12:52, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings. I wish to talk to you. Just the two of us. Also, can you please have a look at my talk page. I am not happy with something someone put there. Rtiger 15:28, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Corruptor
I see you undid my edit on the Corruptor page. Might I ask why?

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 01:57, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the comments, someone mentioned that the pic was Eater of Souls, not a Corruptor. I just took them at their word, and so changed back to the old picture (I did some other edits as well). I'm sorry. Feel free to change the pic back if it was correct.
 * Sí. I uploaded the wrong image. I've had a long past couple of days. :(

Next steps
Hi Mathmagician. I want to talk about next steps forward for the wiki. I think it may be best to concentrate on the video issue first, although we also need to have some general discussions about the way the wiki is administered going forward. I'm thinking that the best thing is to basically revive the original forum thread (updated to fit the current situation) and invite anyone interested to help work out a new policy page. Another option would be a blog post and comments, which can keep the conversation more organized, but I think a forum style might help us with a longer form discussion. The conversation needs to be lead by the community rather than by staff but, if it will help, I'm OK with starting it off and watching for problems as it progresses.

One thing that concerns me is that Gracey is currently blocked until Friday. I think he has a lot to offer in this discussion, and his voice should be heard. So, as a compromise, I suggest we start the forum page on Wednesday afternoon (EST) and I will lift Gracey's block then. How does that all sound? -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 04:10, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like the overall sound of this. I agree that the video discussion is the first thing we need to have, and that Gracey should participate in it. Let's begin on Wednesday. I personally won't be able participate until about 2 or 3 PM Pacific Time (5 or 6 PM EST) due to my school/work schedule, but I don't think that's too much of a problem. I will take some immediate additional steps to alert the community here that our video policy discussion will begin on Wednesday.


 * As you indicated, for the video policy discussion itself, two issues need to be addressed. How can we have a highly detailed and lengthy discussion? (forum works best). And how can we hear from all members of the community? (blog post works best, because people here love comments). To combine these ideas and keep everything in one place, I would like to make the following unusual proposition: We use a regular content page. The page itself will be treated as if it were a forum thread, and the comments will be for users who are not as comfortable with the forum format. Once the discussion is over, our community can figure out what to do with that content page.


 * As the neutral party, I would feel most comfortable if you started the page (possibly at Video Policy Discussion), just to set the tone and some very basic goals and guidelines for the discussion. I feel that everyone needs to be reminded not to make personal attacks, to be polite, and not to vandalize the discussion. I will take an active role in watching the page history and comments, and warning people if necessary. Hopefully no bans will be required, but if they are, they should come from you.

Mathmagician ( talk ♥ blog ) 07:28, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * The second big issue that needs to be addressed is administrators and bureaucrats--who should they be and what is expected of them. This is another community discussion that requires your oversight. I favor having the administrative discussion at the same time as the video policy discussion (I recommend a 2nd content page such as Administration Discussion), as that way we can all get back to playing Terraria a little more quickly, but if you think it's better to have these discussions one at a time, that's how we'll do it. Thanks Sannse,
 * I really like the idea of using a content page for this. It's a novel idea, but hopefully one that will help get all the voices heard. I'll write up an introduction for both pages, and be ready to post on Wednesday. If you can make sure the key people are aware of the discussion, that will help. Hopefully we should be able to find the right way to move everything forward :) -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog)  21:17, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Various Things
Thanks for notifying me regarding the wiki discussion, I'll be sure to keep an eye out for the thread. Also, there seems to be no information regarding the game pre-release on the wiki. Not on the version history pages. Not on the content pages. There seems to be no pre-release category. Why is this? Entirely off-topic, but I was going to ask anyway.


 * I wasn't around in the pre-release era either. I suppose that's just the way I personally organize things... having the information available that certain items were available in the alpha version of the game while others were not. I don't guess it truly matters, it's just something I was wondering about. Of course, in a broader scope, one could say that the pre-release changes were made in the 1.0 update, and be entirely correct... it just comes down to preference.
 * Also, I may or may not be able to join the community discussion later. Things are looking fine at the moment, but I can't say for certain.

Re: Discussion
Hey Math, thanks for letting me know about the forum discussion. I should be online at the time, so I'll be able to contribute and lend my thoughts and opinions on the matters at hand too. Anyway, best of luck 'til then. 08 Feb, 2012 - 03:27:58am

Again you suprise me.
Your rational responses leave me floored. It seems after things have settled down you are as graceful in your words as always. I may have been wrong about you and wrong to assume you were working with gracey in any way. (maybe I am paranoid. Curse has done to much for me to trust anything involving them.) I have nothing against Yrimir and Terrariahelp personally. From the standpoint of the wiki I don't like directing traffic to a competitor which is what they do in video, descriptions on videos, and in livestreams. They are almost as pro terrariaonline as I am pro our wiki. I am glad to hear that your intentions aren't direct promotion of them on the wiki. They send to much traffic to terrariaonline. You are right there are plenty of youtubers that do tutorials and we can talk about that in the discussion.

Mod.
On the topic of the mod it's not really a mod it's more of an expansion for the community that I am working on for the community. The developers are being kept up to date on every single change and have had there say in it. It will be publicly endorsed by them and isn't even my mod. I just brought the team together and helped them make it. I have done basically only sprite work. The team though is building the most balanced expansion to terraria that anyone could ask for with constant updates. Right now I'm just deciding where to house all of the knowledge of the unnamed mod at the moment. Originally we intended to use it as a booster for this wiki. Something to set it apart from every other wiki, I'm just not sure at the moment if I should just have one of the coders craft a wiki instead. My goal was never money from the project so I didn't want to get into making a website and doing all of that but now it seems we might go that route. Anywho the mod has some other exiting stuff I can't talk about yet because it's not final with the devs. Needless to say I am exited although this situation has left me a little sore with building huge communities up though Wikia. I mean it's more than frustrating to be the one who builds something just to have wikia take it away at there discretion. It's just something I have to deal with. I have to chose to be under Wikia's absolute control, find another website who I feel would be any better for the communities I build, or do it myself. This is something I will be trying to deal with internally for future endeavors related to other games.

P.S. Thought I would add a picture of the Capture The Flag portion of the mod they finished today. I can't wait to play this on multi.



Getting Sidetracked.
I have already built 2 other wikis that are already #1 in google through my promotion and some other things I have learned. Crazy side note: I found out how to make pretty much any wiki beat out an opposing wiki at the start of its growth in google. I've done so much for Wikia that hasn't been looked at. I'm sure I've made them 10's of thousands of dollars and asked for nothing in return. I suppose this is how curse probably got started. Someone got jaded after some indecent and started hosting there own wikis. Who knows I don't even want to get into this market it's to much time away from my real goal which is to produce a game in 2 years and I find myself sidetracked by these situations.HeroGaming 05:04, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Thanks for telling me about the discussion when it begins could you link it on my talk page?

Koggeh

The same for me would be appreciated. Thanks!

Dak47922 talk contrib count 18:57, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

logo
Hey the logo, I think you resized it. What dimensions do you want it to be I can redo it in high quality or maybe even update some new armours Like cobalt and adamantite? can do the same for wallpaper. just give me the dimension. The wallpapaer is tricky though depending on the dimensions it doesnt sit right.HeroGaming 16:24, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry about the logo problem - we had a bug this morning that was stretching them (fixed now). I'm catching up on other discussions, but wanted to jump in on this one -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png  (help forum | blog)  20:58, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

vids
I still disagree with having youtubers who promote TerrariaOnline as much as they do. Yrimir has a few tutorials that I think should be full articles with vids on the wiki but my concern is still how much traffic they send to terrariaonline. Like his crab engine tutorial video. I think hes the only one who has a video on it. I can't recall if there is direct promotion in video for terraria online or not let me check.HeroGaming 00:02, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * That video is a tutorial and there is no mention of Terraria Online. I still don't like that he does promote them like he does but in this video I can see it being on the wiki. That being said there is a lot of his content that isn't tutorial at all and is just for entertainment. Speedruns, multi boss death rooms, and stuff like that which isn't tutorials and a lot of the time is promoting T.O. So I am ok with tutorials of his that have no promotion of T.O. and are actually tuts but not every video like I have said there are plenty of directors who I think are acceptable outside of me. He should be a last resort. I don't think the policy should have anything to do with one of those directors specifically. It should be guidelines that help the wiki. Not be a battle over who likes what youtuber more.--HeroGaming 00:12, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Forgot one
Hey can you also unprotect my profile page. Thanks Gracey91 (talk • contribs • count) 05:41, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Terrariaonline and wiki
Hi Mathmagician. Sorry for butting in here, but I've been seeing some confused comments about terrariaonline and "the other wiki". In particular, things like "Terrariaonline is the rival wiki".

I just wanted to point out that terrariaonline.com is actually a forum based community (the only one I know of, too). Our wiki is a wiki.subdomain, yes, but that is an entirely different community and webpage. As a matter of fact, as pointed out by Hero, they have already hosted videos by Hero on their main pages. I myself had never even heard of this Yrimir up to this point. I have never left the wiki, and Yrimir has never been on the wiki. Yrimir is promoting his community (his link is terrariaonline.com), and not the wiki. To be honest, I don't think he really cares about either of our wikis :D EDIT: Especially since he isn't even allowed to post them on the TO.wiki, so he has no reason to promote it anyways...

Of course, both are tightly binded, and I understand that "terrariaonline-the domain" is also a community you may not want to promote, which is also totally fine by me. I just felt the comments were a bit uninformed, and I wanted to point it out. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 08:35, February 9, 2012 (UTC)