Talk:Bottle (crafting station)

Return of the Rename
Given the planned addition of the Alchemy Table, and considering that the name Alchemy Station isn't anywhere in the game code and doesn't appear to be widely used on the forums as a term for table+cup, is it worth considering renaming this page? Maybe something like Mixing Station would be more appropriate. Gearzein (talk) 08:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Had I been paying attention at the time, I would've been on the "bottle" side of the old discussion above. "Alchemy Station" seems to have been a fan-chosen name. While we are sometimes left to determine names ourselves for pages here when no definitive name is made evident by the game, the original author here may have overstepped.
 * The Guide just says a "Bottle" is required for crafting potions.
 * The recipes in the game code only specify that a bottle tile be nearby (a Tile ID of 13, which means a Bottle, Vase, Mug, or any Cup variant).


 * The only problem is that "Alchemy Station" is a long-established term. The old TerrariaOnline forum returns a lot of results for it and it's used in many YouTube videos.


 * Nevertheless, it might still be a good idea to finally correct this, especially since, as you point out, the Alchemy Table coming in 1.3 leaves our current term for this sounding more inaccurate. The Alchemy Table is intended to be an upgraded potion station, whereas right now it might sound like the opposite, or at least confusingly on-par. A possible fix might be to rename "Alchemy Station" to "Placed Bottle" or similar.


 * Since this term has been around for so long (several years, practically since the game's first release), let's leave the discussion open and see if anyone has any insights for a little while. I'll post a site notice requesting comments. Equazcion  ( talk ) 11:56, 18 Apr 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the page should be named "Bottle (crafting station)", primarily for the sake of accuracy. Seems like "Alchemy Station" should a disambiguation at this point. As Equazcion points out, "Bottle" is the in-game name, and according to the code, it is a fairly accurate name. There is no "Alchemy Station" in-game. It is just a placed bottle. Just as there are many work benches, there are many "bottles" which function identically. I agree that the name "bottle" is a bit unfortunate since a pink vase is now a type of bottle, but that is just how the game is at the moment.


 * We can add in the intro of the page that a placed bottle (or equivalent) used for crafting potions is often referred to as an alchemy station. Bded343 (talk) 23:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * "Bottle (crafting station)" sounds fine to me. It also makes a lot more sense, as me being an unfortunate soul who only got Terraria a year ago or so, without looking at the actual page and seeing "Alchemy Station" as the name got me rather confused: was it something made at the Sawmill? 122.62.170.223 08:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of calling it a bottle crafting station. Frankward (talk)


 * Another "vote" for Bottle (crafting station) here. I think it's good to use in-game terms as much as possible. Obviously it requires a brief explanation that a few other things besides bottles work, but that's no big deal. In fact I think referring to an "alchemy station" as previously used is kind of misleading. You don't even need a table, a bottle on a platform works too. BlueMana (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it should just be called the fill up station, brewing station or brewing stand like in minecraft. (Wdon17)


 * {TrueKomondor} I think "Alchemy Stand" would be a good name.


 * I think it should be merged with the Bottle page itself. It might get a bit complicated, since the bottle is used in multiple recipes of its own, but the same has happened before, like the Hellforge. And then, that misleading "Alchemy Station" picture could be changed to something to show what the "bottle" encompasses, like a placed Bottle, Pink Vase, etc


 * Also, to relate to the Lihzahrd / Jungle Temple discussion, I feel a lot of the newcomers who use the term "Alchemy Station" are only doing so because that's what it's listed as on the wiki. And, just because the wiki lists it as something else doesn't mean everyone will have to change what they call it. I could say "alchemy station", "bottle", or even "cup thing on a platform" and it would still be easy to know what I mean. --KM100 (talk) 00:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I think a suitable name would be chemistry station


 * There are several items that can serve as potion stations aside from the actual Bottle, and currently they're on a bunch of separate pages. If we did a merge, we would need to merge to all the possible variants (Vase, Mug, etc) via a template. That could be confusing, especially to newbies. It might make sense to keep the potion station page separate, via something like Bottle (crafting station) as was suggested above.


 * In response to Wdon and TrueKomondor, I don't like the idea too much of replacing the current fan-created name with a new fan-created name, since that could conceivably lead to the same problem down the line. If it's to remain its own separate page, we'll need to differentiate it (Placed Bottle, Bottle (crafting station), etc); but we do essentially know that the intended name was "Bottle", even though that might not be the sexiest name imaginable. Equazcion  ( talk ) 03:50, 21 Apr 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree that the page should be named Bottle (crafting station), and I also agree that we will need to differentiate the two bottle pages. The existing page should be renamed Bottle (crafting material), as that is the only use for it other than placing it to use as the crafting station.  Chrisf1020  (talk)  04:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, keep the station on it's own page, as like it was said above, there are multiple items that can be used for the station's purpose, which would just get confusing if it were placed on the page of the item(s). Then once 1.3 is out, "Alchemy Station" should be either a disambiguation between this and the new item, or a redirect to one of them with a note at the top of that page linking to the other item's page, depending on the new item's function (if it can do everything the bottle can, but with more redirect to that). If this change is to be made before 1.3 is released though, "Alchemy Station" should probably just redirect to the bottle station until the update launches. AdmiralTails (talk) 16:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Conclusion
It seems the consensus is to move Alchemy Station to Bottle (crafting station). I'm going to do this move, however since that'll be a cumbersome term for use within article text, I'm also going to create a redirect called Placed Bottle (as opposed to having Bottle (crafting station) show up in paragraphs, or having to use extra code to hide the "(crafting station)" bit). I'm going to use a bot to replace all the current links to Alchemy Station with Placed Bottle. I'll wait a bit in case there are any objections to that plan. Thanks to everyone who posted comments above :) Equazcion  ( talk ) 20:26, 21 Apr 2015 (UTC)
 * PS. If anyone has a better idea for the "simple redirect" I'm planning to use as the replacement within articles, feel free to suggest. As has been mentioned, in-game terms are preferable, so "Placed Bottle" seems like the best balance to me (in-game accuracy vs simplicity -- it's a Bottle in placed form). Equazcion  ( talk ) 20:41, 21 Apr 2015 (UTC)
 * Placed Bottle seemed fine initially, but after seeing it on a few pages, I'm not sure it works, at least not as a simple replacement for "alchemy station". Take this for example: "A Platform with a Bottle (or similar) placed on it will also function as a Placed Bottle." Ignoring the fact that a the last words are a link, it's a tautology and provides no information... or come to think of it, read literally, it says the platform turns into a bottle, which is just plain wrong. BlueMana (talk) 03:03, 25 April 2015 (UTC)