Talk:Vampire Knives

Damage Type
Can someone confirm what type of damage this weapon does? I've seen it categorized as melee, ranged, and magic in different parts of this wiki over the last couple days. 24.179.112.177 16:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, this has been so confusing, does anyone have the vampire knives to confirm which damage they are?
 * It's melee damage. Majora 787 (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * So, should they be classified as a boomerang class weapon? CrazedPorcupine 21:07, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the thing is, they're just like upgraded Magic Daggers. But they're not magic weapons, because that'd make it possible to stack lifesteal with Spectral armor. But the closest thing to them is boomerangs, even if they don't have a return trajectory. Majora 787 (talk) 01:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Strategy
Wearing a Turtle Set, and Warding Accessories Boots, Wings, Paladin's Shield, Ankh Shield, and Mythical Charm, makes for a no questions asked, every single current boss in the game an ultra easy Solo Kill

Best Prefix
Page currently says the best modifier is legendary, however I can't confirm this after nearly 300 platinum worth of reforgings. The best I've gotten is godly. Can anyone provide proof of a legendary reforge? 96.252.203.65 12:05, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The best modifier for the vampire knives is godly, yes, this is confirmed.

Reference to Touhou / JJBA?
As far as I know thrown knives are not commonly associated with vampires. Meanwhile in Touhou series, which is quite popular, there is a character, namely Sakuya Izayoi who is a servant of a vampire and throws hundreds of knives, just like this weapon does. She is also basically inspired by Dio from JJBA. I'm not a guy who'd consider every slight similarity to be a reference, however there already were references to popular anime (Soul Scythe, 'Soul Eater'). As I said, vampires and knives don't generally go together in common depictions, right? Maybe we can consider this to be a reference? 88.156.132.3
 * Throwing knives aren't particularly well associated with vampires, no. However, because of the bloodsucking connotations, vampirism is a common shorthand for lifestealing equipment in video games, and the Vampire Knives' whole thing is that they steal the target's HP. There is enough of a case to be made that "Vampire Knives" is no more descriptive a name than Fire Rod or Water Bolt in trying to draw connections. This is the brunt of my argument.
 * The Vampire Knives aren't a reference to Sakuya because she's not actually a vampire. While she is a reference to Dio, the reason for this is because of her use of throwing knives and ability to control time, particularly to stop time and alter the angle of her shots- a property that the Vampire Knives don't even touch on, and one of the most significant attributes of both characters. The World is so strongly associated with Dio that it's not entirely unreasonable to assume that someone could know of it without even being aware that he was meant to be a vampire, so for something to be a "reference" but not even address what the characters it's referencing are primarily known for would be, for lack of a better word, bizarre. You could easily jump through a bunch of hoops to make the association, but in that case the example you've presented works against you. The Soul Scythe is a weapon so literally taken from its source material that it had to be removed due to copyright concerns, and in nearly every other reference- see the vanity items taken directly from Mario and Zelda- the developers are just as forward about their intentions. The proof is too thin and the standard of verifiability is too high to accept that it might be a reference. It either needs to be so plainly obvious that there is no shadow of doubt, or the developers have to come out and say it themselves.
 * Look, I like shooting games, okay. Anyway stop adding this, it's not a reference. Gearzein (talk) 01:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Damage Mechanics
Can anyone confirm whether or not it deals its listed damage on a shotgun-like per-projectile basis? If that's correct, that'd explain why the page claims this to be the best melee-damage weapon in the game, when the Paladin's Hammer has this beat in terms of raw damage.
 * Yes, each projectile of the weapon will deal the full damage on the tooltip. While I believe that the Paladin's Hammer still has a staggering higher DPS, the knives allow the player to constantly heal themselves, which is why they are the best weapon in the game for melee players. Madax17  ( talk  &bull;  email  &bull;  contribs ) 05:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Finally had some time to toy around with it. Against standard enemies I'd definitely favor the piercing that the hammer has. Against bosses, it's a bit hit-and-miss. I tested it mainly against the Golem in adequate space, and either weapon seems to kill it in comparable lengths of time. Thing is, with the Vampire Knives a properly-armored character can ignore basically everything save actually running into the Golem itself, so the ability to take risks offsets what seems to be otherwise lower DPS. One lesson I've learned is that neither will help you you're stuck in your house with a Mourning Wood. XP --184.20.23.17 03:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Average Number of Knives Thrown
If I read the intro correctly, here are the probability of each number of knives being thrown:
 * 4: 6.25%
 * 5: 50%
 * 6: 25%
 * 7: 12.5%
 * 8: 6.25%

By multiplying each number of knives by the above probabilities, I found the average to be 5.625 knives thrown on average. I'm going to modify both this page and the weapons list with this change in mind. Surhotchaperchlorome Surhotchaperchlorome (talk) 20:34, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Hardmode?
These were found in a (gold) chest pre-wall of flesh in a dungeon. It was not a crimson dungeon (although was a crimson world). Skeletor, Eye and Brain of Cthulu had been defeated. Glitch?
 * I'm not sure what you mean with "crimson dungeon", but yes, if you found the Vampire Knives in a Gold Chest it's a glitch (or bug). NoseOfCthulhu (talk) 18:19, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna have to second the OP. The stats are certainly those of a hardmode item, but evidently it's a very easy to trigger glitch. I also found them in a non-hardmode dungeon gold chest today. They're wildly OP for non-hardmode, but it's definitely not a one-off. Also, while I'm aware this is long past a moot point, I'm fairly sure what OP meant by "crimson dungeon" is that he did not find the item in a crimson dungeon chest (using a crimson key), as the wiki page states it should be. I also notice that the change log on this page includes this item: "1.2.0.2: Fixed rare bug where the item would spawn pre hard-mode in the upper dungeon." However, that's not in the official change log on the forums nor is it in the copy of the change log published to the wiki. Without some sort of citation, it appears that entry should be removed. 71.45.153.14 04:06, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What version of the game are you using? PC, Console or Mobile (or 3DS)? --0icke0 (talk) 10:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * My bad, PC. I still forget about the existence of the others sometimes, started playing in summer of '11 when there was only the one option. Got back into it recently with a new character (last I played until recently was in 1.2.x) and was really looking forward to earning the knives when they just sorta landed in my lap, but I digress. 71.45.153.14 03:28, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, weird, only thing I can think of is that a gold chest is placed on the exact same location a Biome Chest is, and somehow merging the contents. In that case it is not specific to the Vampire knifes. In any case it should rarely happen in a world. --0icke0 (talk) 11:45, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the trivia section...
So, there is currently there incredibly unprofessional looking change in the 'trivia' section, which looks like it has been typed by someone who doesn't know what a change summary is, unfortunately, because my account is technically new here, I can't do anything about the section, because section removal when there is only 1 useless fact apparently is automatically considered abuse, if somebody could remove the section for me(EDIT: OR REPLACE IT WITH AN ACTUALLY INTERESTING FACT), I'd be grateful.

And, to the person who added that 'trivia' about Terraria having knives even somewhat related to vampires before JoJo(I don't think that the knives are a reference to it anyway)... Please read the next line/paragraph/idek.

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure isn't just an anime, it's a manga that is still running today, Stardust Crusaders ended in 1992... 19 years before Terraria even came out iirc, get your facts right.

MrFury101 (talk) 07:23, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this up. The Trivia section was commented out with that as a note to deter people from adding incorrect trivia. It seems the comment was broken during some recent edits. I have fixed the issue. – ReedemtheD3ad!  ( talk ) 07:29, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you, and apologies about my seemingly rude disposition, was just somewhat frustrated by it. MrFury101 (talk) 07:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)