Forum:Wiki Mediation

Sannse (Staff)
Hi Everyone.

So this wiki has been going through some difficult times. What I would like to try to do is to have a public and full discussion on a few of the issues. It's not clear yet that all involved will be willing to participate, but I will be unbanning and Gracey91 and Mathmagician to allow them to join this discussion.

Generally, staff try not to get involved in every wiki dispute. It's important that each community controls it's own day-to-day management, and works out the best way for their unique community to interact and work together. But it seems this dispute is one that needs a bit more help, and my aim here is to facilitate the discussion and try to help make it a productive, useful, and successful one. And, importantly, to try and help this not escalate further and affect everyone's enjoyment of the wiki.

From what I'm hearing, there are a couple of areas we need to talk about. One question is how videos are handled on the wiki. At the moment, HeroGaming is the "Video Admin" and organizes which videos should be on the site. Some here feel the selection of videos should be more open while others are fine with the current arrangement. This is something that will need to be discussed by the community, but isn't really the key issue right now.

What we need to work out at the moment, is:
 * What exactly are the areas of disagreement between HeroGaming and Mathmagician and Gracy?
 * What has been happening both on and off wiki to trigger this problem?
 * How can we resolve the disagreement and bring calm back to the wiki?
 * Should Mathmagician and Gracy's rights should be replaced?

One aspect of this is that I would like to hear from editing users of this wiki (and, in particular and Gracy, HeroGaming and Mathmagician). I would say that the reading/viewing users (in particular those who follow HeroGaming on YouTube) have had their say, let's hear from the editors now.

I realize that some of you may be concerned that speaking frankly may be difficult in the current situation, but it really will help to hear from you. If you only feel comfortable commenting logged out, that's OK, although I'll be giving more weight to comments that I can see come from regular contributors (if you are editing from an IP that you used logged in, I may be able see that you are an editor here - although I will not share IP or account information with others of course).

So, to start with, I would like to hear publicly from each side: what do you feel are the roots of this issue? What are the problems, and what have been the conversations so far, both here and off-wiki? (Off-wiki will be harder to look at, because incidents and conversations may not be provable - but I would like to know where elements of this dispute have happened).

Please, let's keep this as calm and civil as possible. I have to be on other wikis too, but will try to call in as much as possible to assist in this discussion.

Thanks all -- sannse http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb32675/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 21:46, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

HERO
The first thing I will do is point out character.

http://fortesting.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gracey91

on the 6th edit down he says someone should take a gun into wikia headcourters because he doesnt like the new message board.... Does anyone still really want these guys as admins?.... ok here is the rest. -Attempts to make money using the wiki.
 * What exactly are the areas of disagreement between HeroGaming and Mathmagician and Gracy?

-Lies told to other members to try and make it look like I was using the wiki for a fundraiser.

-contacting others off wiki to rig voting.

-Offering up ideas such as close all articles and forward them to a site that they could make money off of.

-general lack of integrity and lying around every single corner and hiding actions off of the wiki.

-saying that unless they gained power would rather destroy the wiki. -Off the wiki gracey has been trying to find ways to make money by starting his own site. This mostly started because I talked about having a forum and then he started trying to find ways to earn cash off of it.
 * What has been happening both on and off wiki to trigger this problem?

-A week before this issue gracey quit the wiki and vandalized the for testing wiki we use by deleting pages and content.

-contacted other admins and told them lies about me so that he could try to swing votes.

-His overall goal was to either get power or destroy the wiki. -It can be resolved by following the communities vote. we dont need admins whos goals are to lie about other admins to gain power or try to earn money of the wiki. If they are so desperate for power that they would lie and rig voting there is no place for them here. -Under no circumstances should they be allowed back on the wiki. The community has voted and after they respond if they would like a re-vote they will lose by thousands again. The community's vote should be respected and not thought of as a joke. hiding things in the community portal so that the few people that you have tried to rig votes with can participate is unjust. We had a front page vote so that the whole community can vote. It's not about editors vs users, it's the community as a whole. they lost their admin rights by 1500 votes. The video isnt an issue because it was more than clear that the community 19:1 was in favor of me handling video. The issue of gracey and math was 3:1 so it is something that can be argued. Either way the vote should stand. The wiki should be able to stand on its vote anything less is a disrespect to the process of even having votes on a wiki. Whats the point if liars can have it overturned by lying to staff through their teeth.
 * How can we resolve the disagreement and bring calm back to the wiki?
 * Should Mathmagician and Gracy's rights should be replaced?

Its def not funny to threaten to shoot up staff because you want something your way. I don't even understand why wikia wants to discuss reinstating these guy. This my friends is why if they rejoin the wiki or staff lets them rejoin I will be leaving this place and you will be left with admins who think its good to threatening people with guns to get what they want................

I would like to thank gracey for doing such a good job of hiding evidence off the wiki but forgeting not to post death threats about staff.... Thanks,

HeroGaming 22:30, February 1, 2012 (UTC)