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Regarding trivia
A discussion regarding Stardust Armor has already happened. Stardust Armor doesn't significantly represent any known stand, and the ideas underlying them are too common to say that it's meant to be an allusion to the concept. Trivia are considered "undeniable" when the similarity is so exact that it could be said that it was literally taken from another property- as has been established elsewhere, when Re-Logic homages another property, they do so to the extent of possible copyright infringement. In this case, it's too far from the original to say it's undeniable, and a source is necessary before such a claim is made.

Pointing to other cases of trivia on the wiki isn't evidence for inclusion; it's just as likely they need to be removed as well. Gearzein (talk) 22:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I used the breaker blade because it was used as a standard in trivia arguments before on this wiki. I've done a lot of work on this wiki in the past. The only reason I'm adamant about this is because of the direct name drop. If it was just visual I would recognize it as a stand but would not add it as trivia as it could be based on the trope Jojo started. When it's directly named or a pun on direct name that's when it crosses over into undeniable.
 * The wiki's stance on trivia has changed a lot in three years. I would contest the Breaker Blade's trivia as being wishful thinking for a lot of reasons, but I wasn't even aware of it until people started bringing it up as precedent for trivia not requiring sources, even though policy expressly states that they do. It's been brought up a lot lately, so out of fairness I've refrained from removing the claim as it might be seen as trying to gain the upper hand by covering things up, or as an act of spite or something. Even so, it's not really valid as far as trivia goes. Once things cool down, it'll be removed for the same reason this one has been so many times before- as long as it sits, it gives people the impression that the floor is open to speculation much more specious than this.
 * The namedrop is just as likely to be coincidental as it is to be intentional. It's a space-themed event, and stardust is a phrase that's been used for a long time. Nothing other than the name points to an association with JJBA. If stardust-related items were described as "bizarre", or if the Guardian were said to "stand by your side" or if its animation were punching instead of that disappointing magical aoe burst thing it does, I'd be personally inclined to believe this. I'd even be willing to believe it if internal names referred to it- even though the graphical similarity isn't there, Stylish Scissors clearly allude to another anime series in the code, and that's noted on the page. As it is, all there is to go on is "stardust", and that's not even the name of the manga, just a subsection of it.
 * Like I said before, Re-Logic's allusions are usually way more overt than this. As long as this doubt exists, we have to ask for a source before trivia is allowed to just sit. Gearzein (talk) 22:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)