User talk:Wynthyst

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Armor sets
Sorry for failing on making the armor set pages look nice. Hm. I shouldn't try styling pages anymore. :p By the way, I have started working on the loot log for floating islands. We will need a lot more data though. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Null (talk).
 * I'm just picky. Keep trying :D and don't ever take what i do personally. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  04:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

About the translating of wiki into zhTW
since I was trying to get familiar with the wiki details first (ex: like the format, etc.) so i am not going to register and start a project with official yet.

Moreover, it is not easy to translate everything just by myself. Maybe i need a few hand to help with this, too, before this is going to make it becoming a official
 * Well, the best way to get more people to help is to set up a project, and then advertise it on forums in your language. We don't want you to do it by yourself :D. It would be much preferable if you did this as a registered user. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Value feedback request.
Did you see the talk at template talk:Value? Long story short, the template is broken. Further more, it is fairly under-used (on the NPC pages only). Unless we integrate prices into the item infobox, I also expect this template to soon see a much wider-spread use. I was re-writing the template at (user:happypal/Value), and wanted your feedback on my current work. 09:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

infobox + edit section
There is a problem with our infoboxes, and edit sections: the edit section hides behind the boxes. I did a quick fix on eater of worlds, by wrapping the boxes in a floating table, but it is a poor man's fix. I am unsure how to correct the problem. I could always "try" things, but without any real idea of what I'm doing. I thought I bring it to your attention. 10:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ummm... I don't seem to have that problem, Skeletron seems fine.... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  10:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok.. I know what the problem is, and it's a problem with media wiki itself when you have multiple floating items. As far as I know, there is no fix for it. The edit links are all there, they are just lower than they should be. Other than developing a "multiple item" infobox that incorporates several things in one template, I'm not sure how else we might get around it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I had not seen the edit button down there, and thought they were behind the boxes. Wrapping the items into a floating table, with transparent background, seems to achieve the desired result. Maybe I'll write a light template called "infobox wrapper" that we can use on pages with multiple infoboxes. Need to think my options through. 13:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Ok =) For example, do I put the link Sand Block in Categorie:block? or in Categorie:block/fr? (sorry for my english, I'm french ^^) --Djarizeum 11:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Your English is fine. Go ahead and translate the category links on the page, just don't create the categories until we get the French subdomain set up. Red category links are fine on translated pages :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

omg
hi wyn! - Auron 15:14, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my god it's Auron. Ju ze User_Juze_sig_icon.jpg 15:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Russian Wiki admin group
Hello. We have decided who will manage the wiki. User:MrAuditor and User:Kel9290 will be pleased to get moderator's rights. I was chosen as an administrator. — Ctrl+C at 17:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you mean you will be a Bureaucrat, and User:MrAuditor and User:Kel9290 will be Sysops (Admins)? 17:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Does bureaucrat have rights of administrator? — Ctrl C avatar.jpg Ctrl+C at 18:14, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A Bureaucrat is an administrator that can also promote other users to administrator. 18:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Great. Yes, I meant this ^ (2 sysops and 1 bureaucrat). — Ctrl C avatar.jpg Ctrl+C at 06:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan Ctrl+C! The subdomain should be up an running within a couple of days. I will let you know when to go register and go to work. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, you and your fellow admins might want to take a look at Terraria Wiki:Administrator Guide. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

PvP Accessories
Thank you for proofing my contribution, I guess in multiple re-readings and phrasings I still missed errors. I wont touch the classes section, even if it says silly things like rushing classes picking 2 regen bands for "better survivability".
 * You are welcome to edit any part of any page, I just felt that restating the item description which is found on the individual item page was not necessary. Also including notes to other editors is not appropriate within the article itself, but would be fine if placed on the talk page. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox item
Could you add sale price to the item infobox template at Template:Item infobox? It would be very helpful. For example, Amethyst (gem) sells for 5 silver at the NPCs. A link to the finished template is here: User:Null/Sandbox Simply copy everything and paste it into the pre-existing item infobox. The only thing wrong is that not everyone will put the currency in the exact way, for example, 5 Silver, 5 silver, 5-silver, etc.~Null • Talk • Contribs 21:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I will take a look at the discussion and see if everyone agrees. Can you please sign your talk page posts? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Portuguese project
Hi there Wyn. I've been advised to go see you to talk about the Portuguese translation project. I've already created the project page as you can see, and I hope we are allowed to do so. I will soon be asking for other Portuguese speaking players for help to translate on the forums. Hopefully I find other members up to the job. Mobyduck 21:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Spambots
Can the spambots be prevented with the wiki software? I think you can blacklist links or at least require to fill a CAPTCHA on adding non-whitelisted links in some MediaWiki extension? :) Ju ze  08:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ReCaptcha, the best of the captchas was broken by bots in January. Other than limiting page creation (as we have done on Minecraft Wiki and don't want to have to do here) and blacklisting the urls as they use them, all that can really be done is have a vigilant community. I think this community is active enough, and has claimed ownership of this wiki to the point that most stuff will be fixed pretty quick. I am still evaluating users for additional sysop positions, so having more than just me, happy, and iK (who is busy with school finals atm) we will have better blocking capability. I have asked for the anti spam extensions to be installed (the are suppose to be a part of any Curse wiki installation but got missed in the rush I think), so hopefully this can be dealt with soon. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  08:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * For now, I'm on high vigilance until things get sorted out \(^_^)/ happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 09:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

The Abuse filter is helping delete pages that are created by the bots, this is good. However, I'm still fairly certain that 90% of our new users are actually bots. This basically means we are allowing dormant bots to flood our wiki, and they could wake at any time. That and they make our community look bad (inactive). Isn't there anything we can do to even limit the bot creation? I feel as if just reverting their edits is not enough. I noticed there was an "answer this math question" thing on the Russian wiki that we don't have. I'm fairly certain our wiki is low traffic, and any subtle changes we do should be enough to stall them for a little while. That, or we could do the XKCD approach and ask new users to make a constructive edit to judge them :D happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 13:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that 90% are bots. There are many many people using this wiki who will never contribute anything, but will register. There is nothing we can do about it regardless, other than stay vigilant for spam and vandalism. I'm fairly certain our wiki is low traffic you'd be 100% wrong in that assumption as our site is getting around 40k unique hits a day, which is a decent amount of traffic for such a young site. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Will we be getting check-user? --JonTheMon 20:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We can if you think it's necessary. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It might be nice to be able to get a better idea of where the spam bots are coming from and be able to have an IP mask to block chunks of them. That is, of course, unless we don't mind them making useless accounts. --JonTheMon 20:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Apology
I just wanted to apologize for my behavior my first week. I realize I was rude and did not listen to you very much. As an admin, I better understand your positions now, and I think you have more hindsight than I do on what's best for the wiki anyways. So yeah, sorry for being the new editor that pushed things around, and thanks for having the patience for not banning me :D happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 15:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I promise I'm not an evil dictator. I was also under a lot of pressure to make this successful. The best way to success is to build a solid foundation which I believe I had done (in just over 24hrs fyi). I needed to see that foundation remain to be built upon, not just fragmented into pieces. The thing about a wiki is if it's a good one, with a solid community behind it, it is a living, growing thing, unlike static websites that are under the control of a single designer/editor. To make them really work you have to interact with others in the community and take their ideas and views into consideration with every change you wish to see, you can't just make sweeping changes. As time goes on, I will be moving farther away from the center of discussions and actions, as the leaders of the community emerge. I saw the potential in you for that kind of role as you are wiki smart, and didn't give up when I countered you all the time. I believe this wiki has a great community behind it. The way the new patch was integrated was a good sign. There are solid data miners, though I'd like to see some more creative images (like the triple mob images I created out of the various positions of the sprites), but that will come in time. As the game and community grow and mature, so will the wiki. Pages that are stubs now will expand into full articles, don't limit the possibilities, expand them. As the translation projects get completed, we will be working with an international team of admins, you all have to be able to talk to each other, kick around ideas, develop policies and standards that will carry across each wiki in the group. I urge you to get to know the leaders of the translation projects, I believe the Russian wiki will be set up next week (I was hoping for this week, but blech). While each of these wikis are technically separate, with their own databases, and communities, it's important that we retain a consistent feel over all of them. Now, I'm back to trying to get my jungle helmet :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:57, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Reference template
Hey mate, is there a reference template? I wanted to add some reference to one of the articles but didn't know if there were any pre-made ones like Reference, Cite web, etc. Mobyduck Quack! 21:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I'm-a gonna import some then, if you don't mind. Mobyduck Quack! 21:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Import? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * By that I mean, copy the code from another wiki I run. Or from the enlgish wikipedia. :P Mobyduck Quack! 22:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as it's not a copyright violation :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

terraria class & infobox/crafting recipe
I change the style of crafting recipe, from manual html, to our standardized terraria class style. I noticed that our boxes have both grey and blue borders. I wanted to know how you feel about those: Should everything be blue? Were some boxes meant to be grey, or was the grey color more of a "default placeholder"?

Anyways, if you look at a page like Silver Armor, which goxes do you think should be grey? If we want the crafting recipes back to grey, we can keep the terraria class, and just have an explicitly boder:grey override the class. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 07:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh... I wanted the infobox and the crafting recipe to keep the grey border, that's why I did them the way they were. That's one reason I hadn't changed the infobox style :P -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, that failed so miserably I feel a little shame. Turns out there is just too much conflict with margins and padding. I fully reverted back to html. Guess we could always have an recipe style, but I think it is fine the way it is. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 07:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're not the only working in fail mode tonight... I didn't think to refresh my cache before I replaced the alchemy station image... wait about 10 minutes and refresh your cache and see if you want to keep mine, or revert to yours. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

You tube video policy
I think is time we have one... Some pages have close to 4 embedded videos, which is way too much. Most of them are completly opiniated, and are promoting edit was. We'll have to give some guidelines, and enforce them, sooner or later.

Here is a rough draft of how I think we should incorporate videos on the wiki. What are your thoughts? happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 12:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

happy proposal 1

 * Embedded videos are permitted in articles, but only when an animation is warranted, and cannot be fulfilled by a picture alone. Examples would include the moving or attack patter of enemies, the spark effect of Certain game elements, the run distance before the Boots of Hermes kick in etc...
 * Embedded videos should be completely neutral, and entirely illustration, preferably without voiced (or written) comments, and re-useable in our alternative-language wikis.
 * Any other video, such as strategy, review, opinions, guides etc. may be included if they are judged note-worthy by the community, but will remain as a textual link in a dedicated == videos == section".

Comments
I quite like this one, but it questions me, what could be done else? I often take a look at other Curse wikies such as Minecraft Wiki and Guild Wars Wiki and see how they've done it. Also sometimes at Transformice Wiki. An example can be found here: Ju ze   12:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The proposal works for me, but only on mainspace pages. Guides need to have a bit more leniency. The only problem I see is the "judged noteworthy by the community" each editor is a member of the community, and they all want to up their own videos hits... I knew this was going to be an issue, but rather than send the traffic off wiki, it was decided to start embedding videos instead. (I am not sure how embedded videos work with youtube's video hit system .... whether they count or not). Also, with videos on so many pages, it's going to take vigilance to maintain, and it's going to be a nightmare with every patch. Keep in mind, we don't "vote" on wikis, so the process for determining which videos are "noteworthy" or the best for each page needs to be determined prior to implementing any policy. I would suggest we take this off my talk page, and do an actual policy proposal Terraria Wiki:Video policy proposal. Link it on the Community portal and let's get more input. I already tried to get the forum involved in some sort of selection process, but Kane doesn't want anything to do with it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the "judged noteworthy by the community" was merely for textual links, and is probably the best we can come up with. Because it is text, it'll leave room for minimal amount of duplication (less war), and more videos per page (allows for more content), without bloating it. Of course, as admins, it is our job to let users think they can vote, but we have the final word :p
 * I believe seeing a video is a hit, regardless of origin. The advantage of having it embedded is that the user are more prone to watch, and don't interrupt their reading of the wiki. That said, I think the only valid consideration is if we want the video to be a part of the page, or just related to the page: part=embed, related=link.
 * This would be for mainspace, yes. Guide space can do whatever it wants. BTW, do we allow "authored" guides? A guide cannot be 100% neutral by definition, and sometimes, it is best to just say "This guide was written by Dr. Bob (and he may maintain it as he wishes)", rather than war over said guide. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 12:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, we don't allow "authored" guides.. that's what the forum's guide section is for. Everything on the wiki is collaboratively edited (including policy pages). Let's get this proposal created asap so we can get community disussion going please. I really dont' want it to continue on my talk page. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I hoped someone would raise this issue eventually. I'm not a big fan of the embedded videos, especially not when there are multiple ones on the same page. Also, on the topic of authored guides, I agree with Wynthyst. Wikis lose a lot of their "formality" when such subjective articles exist on them. A factual collaborative one already has the potential to become very cluttered, as can be seen on the Skeletron page. Where will the policy draft be put up once finalised? The embedded videos are rather popular, as far as I can tell, and this might generate some discussion. SilverSwift 00:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The red link above is the appropriate place for the policy proposal to go. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Translating redirections
Hey, just saw your deletion of a translated redirection page. Didn't know about that so here is a list of useless redirections:

[] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] []

My apologies. Master4523 14:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The only problem with them is they are not categorized, so they will not be transferred when we create the subdomain. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:35, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Russian wiki
How can I help? I'd get started, but I'm not sure if some things are "Do not touch"... Language links don't seem to work yet either, I sure you noticed. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 06:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the group permissions to edit the interwiki table didn't get changed. Other than that, unless you read and write Russian, there's not much to be done. MrAuditor has been promoted to admin, and I will promote the others as soon as they get registered, and then it's up to them to continue the translations, as well as get all the pages moved to their Russian names and stuff. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  06:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought I could participate in the whole move pages around, and strip links. Actually, I'm not sure I can do that, since I wouldn't know where to move them! I was going to try, but I think I'd end up doing more harm than good. I'll just leave it up to them. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 06:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Russian is one area I can't do much more than I have either. They've done a good job with the translation project, I'm sure they will be fine, or they will ask for help. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  06:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this warrants an announcement in the wiki news btw, as well as linking them in the side bar. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 06:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Also add the policy proposal to the Community Portal to try to generate more discussion. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  06:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The sidebar links are created automatically by interwiki, but I can't fix it until tomorrow. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't realize it was an interwiki, thought it was just a normal section, with links to whatever we put in it. I noticed it didn't work, decided not to touch anything, wait till you fixed it. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 08:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the link I added to the mainpage will create that sidebar link as soon as I can get in and edit the interwiki data table. Those links will need to be added to every page that has a corresponding page on the Russian wiki, but we have to wait until the pages are moved to the correct name. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  08:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

AWB warning
Just a warning: I tried using AWB, and it would appear to write its pages to Api.php. I immediately ceased usage, and protected the page from future edits; I hope that isn't breaking anything? You probably have more knowledge/authority on the matter. I think we should either fully block AWB, or support it correctly. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 10:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Or maybe I just suck? I'll wait your feedback before doing anything anyways. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 10:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * AWB is problematic with Curse wikis. Especially this one because it's got a weird server set up. Since no bot flags have been established, any edits will show up in RC. I don't know that there is any real way to block it's usage, but I don't think it can be used very successfully at this time anyway. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  10:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)