User talk:Squazzil/Archive6

Portable Infoboxes
Hey there! I’m Ursuul, & I’m representing FANDOM’s  Vanguard  team. We’ve identified the Terraria Wiki as a high priority for introducing the Portable Infobox  tool, as I told The Pathogen, which has  a lot of benefits  for your community. Rather than get into all of the metrics and numbers (though I can present some of those if you’re interested), I’ll keep it simple. I’d like to reproduce as much as possible the look and feel of your desktop Infoboxes in global CSS, & work to update the Infobox templates themselves so that they can be accessible on any current and future platform. Maintaining them if you want to make changes should be very simple. Due to the lack of responses, I have taken the liberty to draw up several side-by-side drafts of the new Infoboxes, which you can see here (you may need to wait several minutes for the cache to clear). If you like the result of these newly Portable Infoboxes, could we work together to do all of them? If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask, thank you!


 * Hi Ursuul,
 * The infobox examples you have provided look pretty much identical to what we have now, but more compact. I don't see any issues with visuals from what you have shown so far, so my only issue would be to get some community or more importantly, some additional admin input, especially the ones that have worked the hardest on our current boxes. If we fail to get additional opinions after a reasonable amount of time, We can discuss the next step going forward.


 * Glad to hear it. Meanwhile, I have finished all of the drafts; you can view them at Special:Insights/nonportableinfoboxes. Feel free to kick the tires & test them out on pages to make sure they are to your liking, & I will be around once your community reaches a decision regarding them. If you want me to change anything about a given Infobox, or if I did not live up to your expectations in any area, please let me know & I would be happy to make any necessary adjustments. If I may make a small suggestion, turning each tooltip instance (tooltips are the ℹ️ emojis with hover text attached) into a link would increase mobile mileage out of these Infoboxes; after all, on your phone you can’t exactly hover, but you can click a link. Similarly, you might consider replacing Platforms with text, since Portable Infoboxes were designed with accessibility in mind (i.e. a blind person’s web-reader could read the Infobox) then having too many images defeats the purpose of that; web-readers cannot read images, so take that under consideration if you would. Thanks!


 * Hey there! It’s been about a month, I wanted to give you plenty of time to reach out to the other Admins or to the Community as-needed, but as I said before, your Wiki is a high priority. All the infoboxes are complete & located at Special:Insights/nonportableinfoboxes for your inspection or approval, & I would be happy to make any alterations or tweaks you see fit. I dislike setting deadlines, but if we don’t hear from you, please expect that Vanguard will approve these drafts on or after October 16th, 2017. I enjoyed working on your community’s infoboxes & talking with you in chat, so I really hope that we can produce a result that works for everyone.


 * You can go ahead with portability, unfortunately I didn't get a response from The Pathogen. As for your additional suggestions, I think it would be ok to change the tootip from a hover to a link, but I discussed the second change with another staff member and we agree that the Platform template is better than plain text because it would look too long, and the point of the infobox is to present info in the shortest way possible. I don't think writing out each platform would look good at all. The symbols were designed to represent each one in a simple, concise way.


 * Excellent. I respect your decision to keep Platforms as it is, & I will begin approving the Infoboxes later tonight (although you may do so earlier if you wish). I will try to find relevant pages to link to in each instance of tooltip text as well, & show them here after I have made the changes so that you can ensure that the links are appropriate / request that they be changed if they are not. After that, I believe we shall be all done unless some unforeseen issues arise with the new Infoboxes (which I would be happy to fix for you). I appreciate your cooperation & I will keep you posted!


 * Ok, the Infoboxes are all converted to the new portable markup now. Since the Infoboxes held a great deal of functionality, especially involving categories, it would not be surprising to find a minor error or three if any facet of any Infobox was lost during the conversion process. They’re easily fixed, & chances are good that there are no errors, but if you do happen to notice anything off about how any of the Infoboxes function, feel free to let me know & I can make any necessary tweaks to make sure they work smoothly. As I said above, here is a list of the links I used for you to review if you wish:
 * Damage label tooltips: linked to Health Points
 * “Other” damage output tooltips: linked to Health Points
 * Velocity label tooltips: linked to Ammo
 * Use Rate label tooltips: linked to Use Time
 * Dimensions label tooltips: linked to Background
 * Trophy label tooltips: linked to Trophies
 * Banner label tooltips: linked to Banner
 * I’d be happy to change any of the above if you have better link ideas, but if you are satisfied with those links & do not stumble upon any bugs with the Infoboxes themselves, I believe my task here is complete. It was a pleasure.


 * Thank you. I will definitely let you know if I notice anything that isn't right with the boxes. As for the tooltip links, I'm not 100% on the changes because I feel like desktop users have to sacrifice the convenience of getting the more specific, one sentence explanation for greater mobile functionality. Though even in this instance, a mobile user still has to click on the link and then get taken to another long article to attempt to extract the relevant piece of info. An example I'm thinking of is our "highest prefix" where it simply stated for each individual weapon what the recommended reforge is, vs the highest one. The Reforging article doesn't really explain this for each weapon type, rendering it useless to visit there unless you don't know how to reforge in general. I'm not asking for it to be changed back, because I know I ultimately don't have a say in certain changes that occur, much like the portable infobox.


 * Hey there! This actually appears to be a bug of some sort. In order for the tooltips to work properly in desktop, they need to be within the link (in order to override the  attribute) but for some reason that causes clones of the emoji to appear in Mercury. I moved the title outside of the link, thinking to stop the clone bug, but forgot that the tooltip needed to be within the link for it to work in desktop. I shall talk to my superiors about why this bug is occurring & try to get it resolved; meanwhile, I have moved the tooltips back within the links so that they should work perfectly in desktop, while the duplicate emoji error that happens in Mercury might only require a small fix. We’ll be sure to get everything taken care of!  In regards to not having a say; you absolutely can have a say in how the Infoboxes can be made to function, since we want the result that works best for your community in regards to having content available in all platforms. If the link to Reforging isn’t appropriate, all you have to do is ask & I can remove or change it for you (or show you how to do so if you wish) in order to ensure that the proper information is linked. You might also consider adding pertinent information to the Reforging article or associated articles, or making whole new articles, which you could then change the links to direct to. After all, if the only way to get the information is via tooltip, then it probably should be noted on a page somewhere anyway, for better accessibility.

RE: Request for assistance
Absolutely. FANDOM Staff have a request system in place on Community Central where you can “adopt” (i.e. gain Bureaucrat &/or Admin rights) on a Wiki so long as the other Bureaucrats & Admins are inactive / ok with the adoption. You can do so at w:Adoption:Requests, just be sure to follow all of the guidelines when you make your request & you should be able to acquire Bureaucrat rights shortly!

Duplicate emoji error followup
Hey Squazzil! Nice Halloween profile picture :P Anyway, we figured out a workaround to stop the duplicate emojis in Mercury (kinda ashamed I didn’t think of it myself). Basically instead of having each tooltip also be a link, the adjacent text will be the link, & the tooltip will just be a normal tooltip in desktop (all it serves to do in Mercury is to alert users that there’s more to be read, & with the link right next to it we hope it shall still properly redirect readers to the right pages to get more info). Please note that this fix was only necessary for the tooltips within s, all other link/tooltip hybrids should still work & still be present. Hopefully now there shall be no more issues regarding the Infoboxes, but if you should happen to notice anything weird, do not hesitate to send me a message! If there is nothing else you need, I shall take my leave. Thanks for being so cooperative, & congrats on acquiring Bureaucrat rights on this Wiki!

Discussions and Forums
Hey there! I wanted to draw your attention to this post I made last week about the Forums and the possibility of turning on Discussions. Let me know what you think! Jamie (profile)•(talk) 17:25, November 1, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Possible Infobox bug
When I get back to my laptop I can hopefully fix it up real fast. I’ll even use a parser function that should ensure that categories are applied only to pages in the main namespace (so if someone puts an Infobox on their user profile it won’t be categorized). Apologies for any inconvenience, & I’ll notify you once the issue is taken care of.

I have found the issue. mainspaceonly (which was used within the Infoboxes) blew a gasket because it previously relied upon the Magic Word, which appears to no longer function on our outdated version of MediaWiki software. I have switched out the broken Magic Word with  & tweaked the parser function so that it should now work as it once did, & categorize pages appropriately. Regarding why some pages stayed categorized while others lost their categories; accessories shared similar (if simpler & less error-prone) functionality that Infobox:Accessory had in regards to categorizing pages, so while Infobox:Accessory stopped categorizing pages when mainspaceonly failed, accessories kept categorizing like normal & so no change occurred. I hope that makes sense. If you notice any more bugs, by all means feel free to leave another message.