Changes: Flying Knife

Revision as of 02:32, 16 July 2015

Reference to the weird ending in Bloodborne where you fight "Moon Presence" and get turned into a tentacle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y9Ih9EsPcY&t=4m50s

On the subject of the tooltip.

Is there any reason to doubt that the tooltip could be a reference to tentacle porn? I think that while it could also be about summoning bosses, that's no reason to deny that it could be a reference to a certain fetish. In fact, though I believe both could be true, personally I believe the hentai reference is the more likely one. It's not as if Terraria hasn't made this kind of immature reference before, and deleting it from the page simply because of the source material is silly and just as immature as, if not more than the reference itself. I'm up for keeping both interpretations on the page, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject, since I'd like to keep this from being an edit war. Drsonic1 (talk) 07:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I've been doing this a lot lately, so I'm going to be blunt on this one. It's not being removed as a matter of taste, but because it's highly improbable. This item is almost certainly deliberately named similarly to existing items, all of which share the same function of summoning a boss, except for this one- ironically dropped by an enemy that previously had no summoning item. It actually ends up being a summoning item in some sense, giving the player a pet with the same name as the item that summons the "untrue" boss form of the enemy it's meant to resemble. Given that information, if the tooltip questions your presuppositions about the item's nature and the first thing to come to mind is "yeah, tentacle rape!" then it's saying a lot more about how you draw conclusions then about what the tooltip actually means.

If it's added without a source, it'll be removed. Gearzein (talk) 12:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

How is it improbable? It's not as if Re-Logic is above making references concerning... adult material. I don't see any of the other references on the wiki needing sources, so why is this different? Now, I'm not trying to argue that one interpretation is more likely than the other. I'm just trying to say they're both reasonable, and unless you have a solid reason why one isn't, I don't see anything keeping us from having both up. Drsonic1 (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I've given you a reason. They're not both reasonable claims- one is a correlation drawn based on existing data, which admittedly could be interpreted as speculation, while the other isn't backed up by anything else in the item's design or the game's content. Golden Shower, Mourning Wood and Master Bait are all literally (well, nearly) the word they're meant to be, so if you're right, there's no reason for them to play coy in this case and expect the player to make a reaching interpretation rather than just calling it "Hentai Tentacle" or something.

Other trivia on the wiki does require sources, and while they're handled when they're found, we're not omnipotent and things slip through the cracks sometimes. Finding evidence of errors on the wiki is not an invitation to introduce more. Gearzein (talk) 18:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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+Reference to the weird ending in Bloodborne where you fight "Moon Presence" and get turned into a tentacle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y9Ih9EsPcY&t=4m50s
-{{item infobox
-|type = Weapon
-|damage = 40
-|knockBack = 4.5
-|tooltip = Throws a controllable flying knife
-|velocity = 17
-|rare = 6
-|use = 14 (Very Fast)
-|sell = {{gc|8}}
-|id = 3030
-}}
-{{pc only}}
-{{stub}}
-The '''Flying Knife''' is a unique [[melee]] weapon that throws a reusable cursor-controllable projectile (similar to the [[Magic Missile]] mechanic, though more erratic, and with no mana cost). Holding the {{key|use}} button after use directs the projectile's general path, although it also continually moves on its own and ricochets off blocks. It returns to the player when the {{key|use}} button is released, or after one minute of continuous use. Being a melee weapon, it costs no [[mana]] or [[ammunition]]. It is dropped by the [[Hallowed Mimic]].
+== On the subject of the tooltip. ==
-The Flying Knife also emits a good deal of light during use.
+Is there any reason to doubt that the tooltip could be a reference to tentacle porn? I think that while it could also be about summoning bosses, that's no reason to deny that it could be a reference to a certain fetish. In fact, though I believe both could be true, personally I believe the hentai reference is the more likely one. It's not as if Terraria hasn't made this kind of immature reference before, and deleting it from the page simply because of the source material is silly and just as immature as, if not more than the reference itself. I'm up for keeping both interpretations on the page, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject, since I'd like to keep this from being an edit war. [[User:Drsonic1|Drsonic1]] ([[User talk:Drsonic1|talk]]) 07:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
-The 'Weak' prefix is unusually useful, as it reduces the distance enemies are knocked away from your cursor.
+:I've been doing this a lot lately, so I'm going to be blunt on this one. It's not being removed as a matter of taste, but because it's highly improbable. This item is almost certainly deliberately named similarly to existing items, all of which share the same function of summoning a boss, except for this one- ironically dropped by an enemy that previously had no summoning item. It actually ends up being a summoning item in some sense, giving the player a pet with the same name as the item that summons the "untrue" boss form of the enemy it's meant to resemble. Given that information, if the tooltip questions your presuppositions about the item's nature and the first thing to come to mind is "yeah, tentacle rape!" then it's saying a lot more about how you draw conclusions then about what the tooltip actually means.
-It is very effective against worm type enemies.
+:If it's added without a source, it'll be removed. [[User:Gearzein|Gearzein]] ([[User talk:Gearzein|talk]]) 12:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
-It's best modifier is Ruthless.
+::How is it improbable? It's not as if Re-Logic is above making references concerning... adult material. I don't see any of the other references on the wiki needing sources, so why is this different? Now, I'm not trying to argue that one interpretation is more likely than the other. I'm just trying to say they're both reasonable, and unless you have a solid reason why one isn't, I don't see anything keeping us from having both up. [[User:Drsonic1|Drsonic1]] ([[User talk:Drsonic1|talk]]) 17:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
-== History ==
+:::I've given you a reason. They're not both reasonable claims- one is a correlation drawn based on existing data, which admittedly could be interpreted as speculation, while the other isn't backed up by anything else in the item's design or the game's content. Golden Shower, Mourning Wood and Master Bait are all literally (well, nearly) the word they're meant to be, so if you're right, there's no reason for them to play coy in this case and expect the player to make a reaching interpretation rather than just calling it "Hentai Tentacle" or something.
-{{history|1.3.0.1|Introduced.}}
+:::Other trivia on the wiki does require sources, and while they're handled when they're found, we're not omnipotent and things slip through the cracks sometimes. Finding evidence of errors on the wiki is not an invitation to introduce more. [[User:Gearzein|Gearzein]] ([[User talk:Gearzein|talk]]) 18:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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