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  • Hi everyone.

    Following Dzylon pointing out some problems which the removal of disambiguation pages caused, a discussion about possibly reversing (partially or fully) this project started in chat. This thread is intended to create an easier to follow and less ephemeral discussion on this matter, in addition to allowing people who weren't in chat at the time to have their say.

    So, initial points of discussion are as follows:

    • For one thing, it has been brought up that some types of pages like Banners, Paintings, Statues, and various furniture pages (like Tables) a) have too many members for all of them to be kept updated consistently, and b) don't individually have enough content to be worth separate pages.
    • As a corollary to the above, it was suggested that the pages for individual members of such categories be redirected to the more general page title (ie. Gold Chest, Web Covered Chest, etc. to Chests).
    • Finally, to address the problem in the first bullet point here, there would be some infobox changes so that info which does differ from item to item (such as crafting info) can be noted separately.
      • One concern which was raised on the above point is that this is how the Curse wiki does things, which some users seemed to be against.

    Some extra musings from me:

    Thoughts? Corrections (from those who participated in the chat discussion)?

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    • Yeah, I dunno about this. I'll show ya my points.

      • First off, like ya said, it should only be items that are more-or-lessy the same, just a reskin or very close to. Like chests, tables, banners and statues.
        • Bonus points if that category has lots of members, like statues or banners.
      • The other thing that matters is pages that detail a certain "species" of item/monster. Not disambigs. More like things describing how, say, slimes act or something describing how chests behave.
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    • I think keeping this strictly to furniture would make sense. Not chests that spawn in the world with loot, because people will go to specific chests to learn where they can get specific loot.

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    • BigLollipop002 wrote:
      I think keeping this strictly to furniture would make sense. Not chests that spawn in the world with loot, because people will go to specific chests to learn where they can get specific loot.

      And of course, Golden Chests - like the experience had when double-dating - may vary.

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    • Hey, would paints count as a big one?

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    • 652Graystripe wrote:
      Yeah, I dunno about this. I'll show ya my points.
      • First off, like ya said, it should only be items that are more-or-lessy the same, just a reskin or very close to. Like chests, tables, banners and statues.
        • Bonus points if that category has lots of members, like statues or banners.
      • The other thing that matters is pages that detail a certain "species" of item/monster. Not disambigs. More like things describing how, say, slimes act or something describing how chests behave.

      I fully agree with this.

      652Graystripe said:
      Hey, would paints count as a big one?

      I don't think so. There aren't that many, surely?

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    • Im not sure either. It could be easier to find specific catagorys of items (ex; chests, walls, door etc.) but in exchange, a different template of Data IDs would have to be formed. So pages could be mixed into one or spread out into multiple pages. It would all matter of the fact of how long it would take, how many people are willing to help and how long the wiki could be down for managment.

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    • The templates can be whipped up in no time - in fact, I can probably get some examples together before this discussion is concluded, just to show what it might look like. And the transition would be mostly a matter of creating one central page and then redirecting the others, so that's not a big deal either. The wiki would never be "down for management" at all.

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    • Alright. It was just of what I was thinking of past downages from websites because of maintnence.

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    • LugiaDialga wrote:
      Alright. It was just of what I was thinking of past downages from websites because of maintnence.

      Wikis are thankfully a bit different from that. We're not an individually hosted website; we are operating on Wikia's servers and changes can be made to the docs whatever happens.

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    • (Sorry for the double-post; reviving the discussion on a different tangent)

      So what's the aim of this? Once we're all okayed on the inclusion of these semi-disambigs, what do we do to fix it? Maybe make a list of categories we need to make into disambigs?

      Note: I've spent some time today removing a sentence from Piano pages that would, in fact, only be relevant were there a page like this for all of them. I can see the need firsthand now.

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    • I believe that, as with the chat filter, once this discussion is finished we should begin a discussion as to what will be cleaned up, eliminated or similar.

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    • Hm. Then this could be a breeze. It all depends how many people could decide to help. But, that might not be a problem either

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    • Last night, Forze, Dzy and I went through all the pages listed on the old disambig removal thread. We fixed their links, and left those that we felt exempt or similar. I, for one, left:

      • Holiday Lights
      • Pump
      • Traps

      ...and Forze and I both noticed that we'd messed up and included "Spiders" and "Jellyfish" in the deletion pool, while other pages describing AIs (or in a position to do so) untouched, such as "Bat Monsters."

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    • 652Graystripe wrote:
      Last night, Forze, Dzy and I went through all the pages listed on the old disambig removal thread. We fixed their links, and left those that we felt exempt or similar. I, for one, left:
      • Holiday Lights
      • Pump
      • Traps

      ...and Forze and I both noticed that we'd messed up and included "Spiders" and "Jellyfish" in the deletion pool, while other pages describing AIs (or in a position to do so) untouched, such as "Bat Monsters."

      Just wanted to be clear on what you are saying - The one you are stating you "left" are ones that you feel still need to be deleted? I agree that we don't need "Pump" or "Holiday Lights", but I didn't think the Traps page was ever an issue, as it is a page that has a lot of useful info on it, and doesn't appear to have been a disambig? Also when you mention the "Bat Monsters" page, you are saying it should be deleted like other pages such as "Spiders" and "Bat Monsters"? If so, I agree that we don't need Bat Monsters either. I don't feel that this wiki needs ANY true disambig pages at all, rather we do have some pages like Wings and Furniture that are compilations of similar items. These types of pages can prove handy when you want to compare items, or have the ability to search through all similar items more quickly.

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    • I'm saying that I left those because I feel they could be used as pages describing pumps, holiday lights (the pages referred to them as a special category) and traps respectively.

      I'm also saying that I made a mistake removing links to the Spider and Jellyfish pages. They describe an AI, or would, which is rather handy.

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    • Ok, but i don't see any page for Pumps....only the individual ones like Outlet Pump, etc.  And I still think theres no need for a page that lists the different holiday lighting, or ones that have small lists of monsters. Perhaps you are suggesting that a page be created for Pumps that is like a guide page on how to set them up and some handy uses for them? 

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    • That's what I'm thinking; for the monsters, a description of their basic behavior that would be tedious on all of them.

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    • A bit late to the discussion, but I like how item and monster pages are now. With every item having a page, each item has their Data ID in the top-right of the infobox, their crafting recipe, what they drop from, and how they look in-game. A table with all this information... for example, a table with all of the Banners, would look cluttered, would stretch the page to enormous lengths, and would be a pain if I just wanted to find the Martian Raygunner Banner (barring CTRL + F, which not all viewers know how to/can use). With that particular banner having its own page, I can type it into the search bar and be directed right to its page to find out what it looks like and how I can get it.

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